Why Would God Allow Suffering -The Problem of Evil - William Lane Craig

http://www.bethinking.org/suffering/intermediate/how-can-a-good-god-allow-suf...

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[Badwolf182]

This was incredibly powerful for me to hear right now. It answered and clarified things for me and strenghtened my faith once again

Thank Dr Craig and poster of the video

[tex959]

@Reinpret Thanks for the convo. After much thought, I'd like to admit to my flawed argument regarding circular logic in my original 4 part criticism of WLC's argument for anyone that might read this. Thanks to Reinpret, I now understand that God must be tentatively presupposed in order to show how he might be compatible with evil. however, I still stand by my other points.

[RaynorGo]

Al Qaeda has more compassion that WLC.

[DriscolDevil]

@Requiemxtoxinnocence Look if you really want to continue this, I have to say this.

The "christian god" (as in the one of the new testament) is a human eating alien. You can't call what he does genocide anymore than you can call it genocide when you kill a bunch of rats in your house.

If you are confused just read revelations. I am not exaggerating, god flies down on a white horse and uses a huge sword tongue to eat everyone. I. Am. Being. Serious.

Would make a great film

[Requiemxtoxinnocence]

@DriscolDevil God/deistic version - an unknown mysterious being or thing that has not revealed its thoughts or emotions and by no means be judged because we don't know what it is.

Yahweh - god of the jews and christians - sadistic and hedonistic, created hell an eternal prison of torture and pain

Yahweh/jesus/holy spirit ( christian one) - same god, only now with more personalities than before

[DriscolDevil]

@Requiemxtoxinnocence Ok but you said "god" must be a sadist. Saying that god is a sadist because he's written that way (btw hell isn't a prison god sends people too, at least not in the story) is like saying Stephen King commits genocide because of all the characters he has killed.

I mean he locked an entire town inside of a dome for Cripes sake!

BTW the Jewish god is the sadistic one, the christian god is forgiving and kind of a pushover.

[Requiemxtoxinnocence]

@DriscolDevil I tend to think of myself along the lines of a pseudodeist/ignostic/agnostic. I don't think we can really know what the concept.

I based my assertions on the god of the bible. Yahweh does seem pretty sadistic to me, he's a god of war. Many Christians do believe in a hell, and that also helps my assertion as its sadistic to torture people forever with no end or escape. If there is a real god then I can't know its intentions, because I haven't observed it.

[DriscolDevil]

@KevZen2000 How can it be possible to end all evil? All of us being equal in every imaginable way? This would be evil because it takes away personal freedom.

A world of absolute freedom? Well then you have serial killers and rapists, also evil.

This is the only problem with the "paradox", the fact that there is no paradox. A universe with or without god must still contain evil because evil is a label we need to slap on anything that inconveniences us in our lives.

[DriscolDevil]

@Requiemxtoxinnocence And you are basing all of this on a document written by humans, not god.

Nobody knows what god really thinks or really wants so your assumption that god is a sadist or that people that don't believe go to hell is one based on blind faith.

Try to think for yourself before rejecting the concept of god.

[DriscolDevil]

@Ramohog That's the most ignorant interpretation of evolution I have ever seen. Please attempt to educate yourself before debating any kind of theory.

[Ramohog]

@KevZen2000 Miller Urey did not even come close to produce life.... quite the opposite, even the experiment itself was manipulated. It's really sequential information, digital algorithmic coding and de-coding, structure and design all together, that we can conclude intelligence since it has never been observed otherwise, so it's the logical conclusion

[KevZen2000]

Intelligent design, is not a valid scientific conclusion,the conclusion of the ultimate origin of everything is a theological or philosophical question. Placing a theological conclusion,for a scientific question,you wind up with inconsistency.The origin of the universe, and life,requires methodological naturalism, for proper explanations. Supernaturalism, does not hold any explanatory power, within the scientific realm, which abiogenesis describes, so your left with naturalism with such