The Counter Reformation: "Free" Will (James White)

Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.

Free will is false due to the fact that mankind is totally depraved or unable in and of themselves to choose God most High or seek him. Therefore God Almighty must draw a man and thus enabling him to choose him.

May the God of all grace have continue mercy, grace, and peace upon those whom follow truth. in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Marquest Burton

God chooses His people yes.

But no where in Scripture does it say, a person cannot choose God.

I can choose God even if He dont choose me.

election does imply the lack of freewill- true.

God can elect His people, He more than anyone else has the right to do so.

Yet, even if i am not an "elect of His" i can still enter the kingdom of heaven by the "way of salvation"

you wrote well and i agree with you.

I disagree with you. There is only one way of salvation not two. God does not predestinate men to be saved.

so..... you agree with me.

ok.

Uh...no. God doesn't "elect" people. He elected the means of salvation and redemption. The "elect" are those who simply chose to accept the free gift of salvation of Jesus Christ. The means of their redemption was predestinated, not the people. So, again I say I disagree with you.

OH!

U said, "He elected the means of salvation and redemption. The elect are those who simply chose to accept the free gift of salvation of Jesus Christ etc.

U r right

I only "add" to what you say in that God MAY choose if He wishes His elect people, but you dont agree with that.

So basically i agree with you in all you say but I added a concept that you dont agree with.

So thats why you said "there is only 1 way of salvation not two. God does predestinate men to be saved.

fishslab,do you know what the word DRAW means as used in scrpiture pertaining to The Holy Spirit?

Romans 9 proves that God loves some and hated others.If this is offensive to you,then you have to make a choice to reject the Word of God or believe God.