Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, David Wolpe & Bradley Artson debate: Is there an afterlife?
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@numbersCH31vs17 Sorry your right, Jesus came for every reason you said i just felt as if you missed out all the other reasons why he came but id say taking the punishment of mankind on himself was the main one. i felt as well that you were hinting to the story of Jesus being fake but do you have any reason for this? I feel like you've already made your mind up about Jesus before you've examined him.
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@tublet13 Sorry, your comment was a bit confusing. But, I don't think I was wrong.
Jesus was sent for man's salvation, so if man didn't need salvation, jesus wouldn't have been killed.
"Jesus died for my sins", I thought.
I'm not sure where I went wrong.
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@numbersCH31vs17 Few errors in your thinking. Story of Jesus does not depend on our need for salvation quite the opposite actually but before Jesus started preaching about salvation the way to have sins forgiven was through regular sacrifice, if the story made up like you intended there why would the disciples with a prior belief in a system of sin create a new system they know to be false and then die according to it? Makes no sense. Similarity does not mean somethings false.
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Look up the work of Dr. Thomas Campbell and all of this will seem like silly exercises in ego. There is no belief in involved.
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sam harris and hitches both deliver amazing hitch slaps
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@Mogley52 Just a suggestion: when posting you might re-consider your use of CAPITAL LETTERS, because this habit of "SHOUTING IN PRINT" makes you appear STUPID, DOGMATIC AND IRRATIONAL! Consequently, I feel rather disinclined to read your article "WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!" or avail myself of any other thoughts you may have, brilliant and impeccably reasoned though they may be, because I have already come to the conclusion that you are a DELUSIONAL NUTCASE!! "God bless."
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@jek21 absolutely agreed.
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@numbersCH31vs17 I meant, they are strikingly SIMILAR, not familiar, sorry.
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@tublet13 we must remember, the entire story of jesus' death and resurrection depends on our need for his salvation, because we sinned, which stems from adam and eve eating from a tree that makes them aware they are naked, because a snake told them too...And then god put a flaming sword to guard a "tree of life" (we've never found this flaming sword, by the way)
If you read other folklore, and then read the bible, they are strikingly familiar.
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@scubasloth8 All 4 writers of the gospels hold that Jesus christ died and rose from the dead. Please point out these contradictions you speak of.
Fucken Hitchens,
always brilliant, crudely abrasive, and a wit that will put a smile on your face
redshark618 10 months ago 45
Existing secular arguments are far too trenchant and compelling for the best religious apologist to ever argue away. The Rabbis are (not surprisingly) outgunned here. Youtube search for "Why The Monotheist's God Is Too Improbable To Believe, Even On Faith" to blow your hair back.
DarwinsGauntlet 8 months ago 15