Determinism vs Free Will (1/2)

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"Determinism vs Free Will (Part 1/2)" is a clip from The Atheist Experience #616, "The Argument from Game Design.", with Russell Glasser and Jeff Dee.

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[emptybookreader]

@HedgehogRebellion yeah sure i enjoy talking about this kind of stuff

[HedgehogRebellion]

@emptybookreader You know what? Send me a Friend request or a contact request or whatever its called these days (Ive tried and I dont know how). I want to do a little more research on Uncertainty but for the next month I have to study for my CMA exam. Im not sure whether you are not making your points flow together or whether I lack enough knowledge to properly address your points. You seem to be pretty sharp so lets stay in touch.

[emptybookreader]

@HedgehogRebellion part 2: u accept the uncertainty principle right? if u do it would make no sense to call urself a determinist. thats all im really trying to say

[emptybookreader]

@HedgehogRebellion yeah but i mean it doesnt have to be tested just as schrodingers cat doesnt have to either. its a scenario than could exist. it relies on the ideas of the universe we have so it can be mentally tested with a possible situation. its like saying what if a fighter jet was traveling 3 miles per hour and at the same time 40 miles per hour underwater. we dont have to test it because we base the conclusion on the knowledge we know. and the conclusion is that it would be impossible.

[HedgehogRebellion]

@emptybookreader

Let's say someone decides that they are going to cheat destiny and raise their right hand. So they look on the "FUTURE TV" and see that they have raised their right hand. But the DECSION to try and cheat destiny was becausethey had a defiant nature. And here we go back into my model.

Now, you have raised some INTERESTING points...but until a scenario like this could happen in reality we can take no evidence from it, only conjecture.

With respect...I stand by my theory.

[HedgehogRebellion]

@emptybookreader Yeah, sorry...I missed that. So what your saying is:

IF there is no randomness in the universe

THEN it should be possible to tell what everyone will do

BECAUSE we can predict the physical movements they will make

The next point goes:

IF we can see this future

THEN we can choose to change it...so it is not really determined?

My first response would be that knowledge of the future WOULD BE one of the detrerministic events that shapes the action. Let me elaborate...

[emptybookreader]

@HedgehogRebellion i already said i agree with u that objects on the large scale are largely unaffected by the randomness of particles. did u read part 1 to the comment i posted? i think i already explained it maybe u only read "part 2:" but i mean the very meaning of determinism is that everything is set in a path which cant be changed. which we know isnt true because u cant ignore even the smallest of things. maybe the correct term for u is psychological determinism?

[HedgehogRebellion]

@emptybookreader ...forgive me...I rare;ly go this long...OUR UNIVERSE has certain regularities based on physical laws. So just because that underlying our neuronal systems there are quarks and nuetrinos does not invalidate a thourough examination of how those systems work...any less than the fact that my bottles of Scotch and Drambuie are made of electrons and protons invalidates my quest for the perfect Rusty Nail! Do you follow my reasoning?

[HedgehogRebellion]

@emptybookreader Thank you. I will always conceed someone else's point when they are right and I appreciate your acceptence of my usage of the word luck.

As for your other point I think I understand the tac you are following but I am not sure if it applies. Many things in this world all have different natures, yet they are made of the same atoms. MY understanding of quantum physics is that logic breaks down at the subatomic level, but our universe...Im sure we can agree,,,

[emptybookreader]

@HedgehogRebellion ok i guess ur right on the definition im just trying to point out that in ur theory u stop at a certain point. u dont go further into how the brain works so if u go far enough u would get to the atom and elementary particles which cannot be predicted