William Lane Craig vs Theodore Drange (HQ) 7/11

A debate at the University of Illinois between Professors William Lane Craig and Theodore Drange on the question of God's existence

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[slipstream2238]

@MrLittleOrno Like Drange you seem unable to grasp or engage with Craigs point and instead resort to a misguided ad hom. Boring...

[MrLittleOrno]

Unless you regard "just following orders" as an objective moral virtue Craig's assertion is without foundation. Every "objective" moral abomination Craig lists has been committed, ordered, sanctioned and/or condoned by God. Objective morality is doing right regardless of what you are told; God's morality is doing what you are told regardless of what is right.

[slipstream2238]

"objective moral values we can appeal to Genetics and intuition "? Grange doesnt seem to grasp craigs point. Craig is not saying that we cannot know/understand what is moral/good, ...but that without God there can be no basis for objective morality. Yet to see an argument that deals with this point.

[AgeOfReasonXXI]

Drange showed brilliantly Craig's silly argument: Lame argues that the the constants of nature were fine-tuned to produce intelligent life (and minds), yet as a dualist he belieevs the opposite: that intelligence is not the product of matterat all, and hense not dependent on those constants! Lame owned again

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@6thwing "It is why scriptures teach that God has made Himself evident to all people through that which he has created"

If creation is evidence for god then koolaid is evidence of the koolaid man. But creation can be evidence for any god, too bad there is a natural explanation for all of existence.

"Yet despite this people REJECT Him"

I reject things that are not compatable with reality. Theism is one of them. If god wants to convince me he exists then he must prove it to me that he doe

[6thwing]

@HonestTechnoAtheist That's very easy. Use the natural opposites. Attribute not-A to B. Therefore we can learn and understand what B is, by learning and understanding what A is not. Then we can test for things that makes B work by looking solely at A.

It is why the Scriptures teach that God has made Himself evident to all people through that which he created; yet despite this people REJECT Him. So God gave them over to themselves. Yet still compels them into the Truth.

[setmedic]

I'd like to finish watching this debate but I have to go make a baby omelet.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@othellopiano I have a video on the problem of suffering as well as free will.

[othellopiano]

@HonestTechnoAtheist

Do you have a favorite of yours you'd recommend?

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@othellopiano Oh sure yeah I have made some videos about that.