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Tom Woods : Dynamics of the FED

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benrush123 (3 months ago) Show Hide
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Are you proposing that those interest payments go to a select group of greedy banker elites (FED) or possibly to member banks to pay capital holders and foreign debt holders. And should lenders be paid interest? We could adopt a Islamic system. You see how well that works.
DRNevans (3 months ago) Show Hide
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Benrush123: No one I know of has ever spoken of a "Von Mises nirvana"; the point is merely that the economy does not need a destabilizing central bank and its arbitrary dictates. Also, I notice you never answered my question -- can you name me an industry in the 19th century in which prices were rising and output was falling (the definition of monopoly)?  Is there a slight chance you've swallowed the usual propaganda, and now I've called you out on it?
benrush123 (3 months ago) Show Hide
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DeBeers Diamonds and Oil/Gas industry
DRNevans (3 months ago) Show Hide
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Were oil/gas prices going up or down? Was output going up or down?
benrush123 (2 months ago) Show Hide
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Oil prices are going up AND production is going UP. Diamond prices are going up AND production is going UP.
Now I have called you out on it. ooooohh.
strokjl (4 days ago) Show Hide
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In the 19th cen oil prices were falling while output was rising. Check out Jim Powell's Bully Boy on Teddy Roosevelt and what was really happening in industries that were "monopolies" in the 19th cen. Despite all the rhetoric, it seems that prices in nearly all growing industries were falling.
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Benrush123: Lame answer. The point is that you're guilty of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. Because event A occurred, and the U.S. was prosperous, you assume A caused the prosperity. How do you know the prosperity wasn't in spite of A? Do you have any theoretical rationale for rejecting that possibility?
benrush123 (3 months ago) Show Hide
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I believe that both of us could be guilty of Post Hoc. There are tomes written on the subject. I use an objective review of history and civilization. There were Boom and Busts before the Fed and they will continue. The point is whether the current systems maintains a middle class (MC) better than the other. The MC is a primary indicator of the health of an economy, not just surpluses or deficits. The MC is the lubricant of a healthy economic machine.
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Each one of those booms and busts was preceded by artificial credit expansion.
benrush123 (2 months ago) Show Hide
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And UFO sightings? Whether the FED is there or not is irrelevant. These cycles have existed since the beginning of time. The FED was created to modulate them. Are they perfect? Show me a system that is. Has the standard of living increased significantly while the FED has been working? Hell yes. The world before central banking was no nirvana.

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