Rise up ! ☆ The struggle carries on... ☆ Россия

Россия без Путина ! Mass protests and demonstrations have erupted across Russia in the aftermath of rigged parliamentary elections. Over the week and especially on December 10, tens of thousands of people have rallied in Moscow and St. Petersburg and across the nation in cities as far as Novosibirsk, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok.

The return of street protests, mass demonstrations and general political activity in Russia is no new event internationally. All across the world, from Cairo to Barcelona, from New York to London, the mass rallies and the occupation and defence of public spaces, the organisation of general assemblies, have shown the possibility of more massive, self-organised ways of struggling. What the world is witnessing across Russia is only the beginning of the resurgence of political, working class, and people's struggles in our country and around the globe. All over the world we are seeing the struggle for a different future, the pursuit of genuine freedom, dignity, and justice.

Workers and all brave people of the world unite !

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[wnxsilence]

@mlk22771 The ruling "United Russia" party and Putin's government committed mass fraud and rigged the December 4 parliamentary elections in our country, this was the pretext for mass demonstrations that followed. Russian people will no longer passively accept the tyranny, theft, and oppression of this corrupt government and system.

[comradinternationale]

Free Russia!

[wnxsilence]

@KrazyKommieKiller Also, I did not understand the rationale of your argument that workers' management will inherently result in a disruption of goods and services? How so? Can you back this up with any evidence or examples?

You know, I have read that even over in the USA there are thousands of so called "co-op" businesses... functioning on that principle, of workers' owned and workers'-runned enterpise. Here in Russia, we also have many examples of this since the end of the Soviet era.

[wnxsilence]

@KrazyKommieKiller I don't agree with those who say that the complexities of modern life are somehow too much for the public to handle, that a specialized elite to manage things is a necessity for advanced civilization. There are many examples in history where people have taken over directly the reigns of power, read about the Spanish civil war... and it was a success, until crushed by armed force.

You say "Communism cannot exist" but how do you know this for a fact, if it has not yet existed?

[tagaphon]

@wnxsilence That's true that state was not controlled by people in SU as it needed to be, which really was reason for failure of Soviet Union. But ideal is unreachable and people control on state and industry was the biggest than any other systems I know but may be Cuba or China. But no means US is even close to that level of people's control.

[KrazyKommieKiller]

@wnxsilence Communism cannot exist in the real world. It's trying to implement a system that could work for a small friendly pre-industrial farming village onto large industrialized nations. The complexity of thousands of communes all requiring supplies and producing goods of their own is unimaginable complex. Look at the Soviet economy, much of it applies even in a less authoritarian system. It gets worse under Anarcho-Sydicalism which turns into a overly complicated trade network.

[wnxsilence]

@tagaphon My friend, I can not help but disagree with some of what you wrote. Yes, Socialism, according to Marx, is the necessary stage before Communism... and, there was not Communism yet in the USSR. However, neither was there true Socialism. The main industry was controlled by the state, but the state was NOT controlled by the people. The state claimed it was in the "name of the people" but ordinary workers had no control. This is why, in my view, the system in the USSR did not last.

[wnxsilence]

@KrazyKommieKiller This video is not even about the Soviet Union, least all of reverting Russia to a "command economy." That is a topic you for some reason felt necessary to bring up here... The protests in Russia that begun last December were in response to the corruption and fraud of the oligarch-run government which rigged the latest elections.

It had nothing to do with "Socialism" ...though I'm sure many people in Russia, like myself, would be supporters of true Socialism.

[wnxsilence]

@KrazyKommieKiller Also, if you have any interest in finding out what Socialism and Communism really mean, then I suggest actually reading a little bit of what the founders of these ideas wrote, people like Marx, Engels, and others.

According to them, it was where workers' exercised direct control over the economy. A society where the people and producers themselves could freely manage and directly control their own affairs. This is the exact opposite of "command economy" or any dictatorship.

[wnxsilence]

@KrazyKommieKiller English is not my first language either, but as the uploader of this video I feel a duty to correct some of the falsehoods you spewed here.

Communism, in the first place didn't and never existed inside of the USSR. I myself am Russian, and I was born in the 80's during the Soviet era. For those like myself who lived in that system, and people who know anything about Communism it couldn't be more obvious that what we had in the Soviet Union was not Socialism or Communism.

[tagaphon]

@KrazyKommieKiller English is not even my third language. I didn't say that USSR failed because capitalists didn't invest in it. It was the reason why Stalin had to switch to emergency measures, such as you see in Cuba or NK. Free market doesn't inevitable mean capitalism. If the main industry is controlled by state, and state is controlled by people, that's not capitalism but socialism. After Lenin socialism is necessary stage before communism. There was no communism yet.

[KrazyKommieKiller]

@tagaphon Out of that mess you wrote I got only contradictory points. The USSR failed at socialism because capitalists didn't invest in a system that stood for everything capitalism stood against? Capitalism is now weak so now socialist states are becoming capitalist? How was any of that an argument for Socialist economics? You basically just said that the entire system requires free market capitalism to get off the ground. Please tell me English is not your first language...