Got Baptism? Onepoint-OH!

Worldivew Everlasting AskdaPastor2.0 brings you a primer on Baptism, part 1.

For more in depth reading check out this great article re-published by Issues, Etc:
http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar84.htm

Or this nifty tidbit from Bryan WolfMueller (who nobody ever listens to):
http://www.hope-aurora.org/docs/InfantFaith.pdf

A great resource by Dr. David Scaer:
http://www.amazon.com/Baptism-Confessional-Lutheran-dogmatics-David/dp/B0006R...

And, of course, the recommended reading by Joachim Jeremias:
http://www.amazon.com/Infant-Baptism-First-Four-Centuries/dp/1592447570

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Baptism
• Christian
• Water
• Born Again
• Rebirth
• Regeneration
• Infant
• Baby
• Forgiveness
• Jesus
• Washing
• Renewal
• Buried
• Raised
• Put on

[Itrytotestify]

I am honestly still confused, can you please explain what exactly you mean by "Baptism saves." I know you don't mean it is a work of man that saves, but I don't understand.

Thanks!

[Revfiskj]

@Itrytotestify We will try to get an answer up some time in the near future at worldvieweverlasting dot c o m . Until then, you can read the other posts there tagged "baptism," and you could also ask yourself what St. Peter means, since he's the one who said it in 1 Peter 3:21. Just don't rely on the NIV! The KJV parantheses help a lot.

[ShownMercy]

Here is a great ML quote..."There are no ‘specific passages’ referring to infant baptism. The direct witness of scripture is by itself not strong enough to provide an adequate basis for beginning infant baptism were it not already practiced.”.......

The quote alone is the nail in Sola-Scriptura's coffin concerning Luther. Yet Lutherans today still practice such a devilish TRADITION.

Ha!

[Revfiskj]

@ShownMercy How clever. One quote out of context to undo everything else a man ever wrote and in the same breath claim the guy who defined Sola Scriptura didn't know what he was talking about. Tread warily young samurai, for you are venturing close to earning the cone of shame. 1 Peter 3:21 contains in four words all that the Scripture's need to unseat the devilish, 16th century human tradition you are defending with this silly and illogical argument from silence: "Baptism now saves you."

[ShownMercy]

Also, if we are saved by the Gospel, as Paul states clearly (1Cor 15:2) and baptism is not a part of the Gospel, as Paul also states (1Cor 1:17), how is it that baptism saves you? Could it be possible that ML could have misinterpreted 1Peter 3:21? Could that actually be a possibility!! I doubt any devout Lutheran would admit such a thing seeing all the practicing Lutherans I know are also practicing Narcissist.

[Revfiskj]

@ShownMercy Well...re Narcissism, guilty as charged. Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God I'm baptized into Christ.

[squirrygirl]

Great video, Rev. Fisk. In reading the article on Infant Faith that is linked above, it occurred to me that one of the problems with the question of whether or not infants can have faith is that the question assumes that faith originates in the person and is oriented outwardly. But, if as Arand and Kolb argue (Conversations on the Lutheran Confessions), faith originates in the object of that faith, then it is totally logical that an infant can in fact receive (have) faith.

[007TruthSeeker]

Like the other sticky issues, it appears that understanding Baptism depends on how willing one is to believe those clear passages which say what you just explained so well, repeating the important points. Thank you for positing the scriptural and Lutheran position on baptism so well. May God bless your work and family.

[Itrytotestify]

@Revfiskj Thank you, I am a NASB man myself but I will check out both the NASB and the KJV. I'll keep an eye on the website. thanks

[RainShowers2505]

@ShownMercy Doesn't the very Gospel that Paul is sent to preach include Jesus' own words: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”?

[RomGabe]

@ShownMercy .. your Lets examine Romans 6.. post ... me thinks you make the same mistake as the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the same charge you had been accused earlier (1 Cor 1 dialogue) of doing ... taking things out of context. My Bible reads Romans 6 "united with him in the LIKENESS of his death, we shall be also in the LIKENESS of his resurrection .. OUR OLD MAN was crucified with him ... that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin" Please no sleazy&sly logic!

[RomGabe]

... Baptism is God's work and thus assuring that I belong to Him, being burried with Him (Rom 6) and are also raised with Him that "we too might walk in(H) newness of life." ... This daily process to repent and contrition and remember what God has done for us (the gift of Holy Baptism) is what I think Lutherans mean by "remember our Baptism!" as Dr. Martin Luther sound and salutory advice on how to start and end out day by also making the sign of the +, in name of Father Son and Holy Ghost

[RomGabe]

@ShownMercy You seem to forget the Bible verse that you just referenced in your first post here ... 1 Peter 3:21 "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but AS AN APPEAL TO GOD FOR A GOOD CONSCIENCE,"

I am not expert in Lutheranism, but I now make the connection why at burial, the liturgical starts with a prayer mentioning our Baptism. ... Baptism is God's work and thus assuring that I belong to Him, being burried with Him (Rom 6). .. cont ...