@MsSexySocialist That's what we're doing here, right? I mean, we're comparing philosophies. Ayn Rand's philosophy is "objectivism" which, by definition, literally requires the adherent to reject the metaphysical (supernatural, spiritual, et al.). The biggest gripe most have with Rand is the rejection of altruism, (false) humility, and self deprecation. She had no problem with a person who revelled in accomlishment.
Also, there's something to be said (in my opinion) for eastern religions and philosophies despite their supernatural elements. They're a lot more fluid and less dogmatic that western religions and certain elements of them can indeed be of value provided they're viewed in a metaphysical rather than literal way.
Objectivism however is so rigid and dogmatic in its structure that it puts some religions to shame.
@MsSexySocialist If you think about it, though, much of her philosophy makes more sense to an athiest than christian philosophy does. I mean, an athiest evaluating hinduism and chakras would consider Rand's philosophy quite rational in comparison.
@MsSexySocialist Weird. I find some of her writing a bit...well...a bit much. I don't think she really understood 'normal' or 'average' people very much. She was quite sharp, though.
Most of them in fact have never even read any philosophy other than what you find in recommended in her own bibliography. Their basic attitude is "I've already found the pinnacle of understanding and KNOW what's right. I don't need to study anything else."
And thus they only read thinkers that reinforce their own opinions.
Also, she's not so much a profit for *atheism* so much as a view of the world that sees narcissism as the greatest virtue known to man.
@MsSexySocialist ??? Not everyone that attempts to look at the world necessarily agrees with Ayn Rand, or that everything that came out of her mouth should be taken as "gospel". Are there really people out there who see her as some sort of athiest prophet?
@plbuster State control, or worker control. Historically, the Marxists chose state control. The anarchists chose worker's control. Basic research.
Did you build your own house, make your own shoes and clothes, grow your own food? No? Well then, you're a collectivist as well, because those things were collectively made.
@plbuster Cause you're such a retard that you actually think I'm a communist lololol. And you use bs definitions found on wiki. You can't spank me ya little pervert.
It's a sad fact that for all their apparent antipathy for religion, Objectivists can't seem to realize that what they follow is a religion in almost every sense.
Philosophy is supposed to be dynamic and distinct for each person, you take elements you agree with from some places and disgard what you disagree with.
Objectivists don't operate this way.
Their methodology goes, "Ayn Rand disagreed with it, therefore it's wrong". That's a religion people.
Typical anti-American brown person who probably lives off of welfare or food stamps.
MIKEPORTNOYING 4 days ago
@MsSexySocialist That's what we're doing here, right? I mean, we're comparing philosophies. Ayn Rand's philosophy is "objectivism" which, by definition, literally requires the adherent to reject the metaphysical (supernatural, spiritual, et al.). The biggest gripe most have with Rand is the rejection of altruism, (false) humility, and self deprecation. She had no problem with a person who revelled in accomlishment.
plbuster 1 week ago
@plbuster
The key term being "in comparison".
Also, there's something to be said (in my opinion) for eastern religions and philosophies despite their supernatural elements. They're a lot more fluid and less dogmatic that western religions and certain elements of them can indeed be of value provided they're viewed in a metaphysical rather than literal way.
Objectivism however is so rigid and dogmatic in its structure that it puts some religions to shame.
MsSexySocialist 1 week ago
@MsSexySocialist If you think about it, though, much of her philosophy makes more sense to an athiest than christian philosophy does. I mean, an athiest evaluating hinduism and chakras would consider Rand's philosophy quite rational in comparison.
plbuster 1 week ago
@MsSexySocialist Weird. I find some of her writing a bit...well...a bit much. I don't think she really understood 'normal' or 'average' people very much. She was quite sharp, though.
plbuster 1 week ago
@plbuster
Yes. Yes there are.
Most of them in fact have never even read any philosophy other than what you find in recommended in her own bibliography. Their basic attitude is "I've already found the pinnacle of understanding and KNOW what's right. I don't need to study anything else."
And thus they only read thinkers that reinforce their own opinions.
Also, she's not so much a profit for *atheism* so much as a view of the world that sees narcissism as the greatest virtue known to man.
MsSexySocialist 1 week ago
@MsSexySocialist ??? Not everyone that attempts to look at the world necessarily agrees with Ayn Rand, or that everything that came out of her mouth should be taken as "gospel". Are there really people out there who see her as some sort of athiest prophet?
plbuster 1 week ago
@plbuster State control, or worker control. Historically, the Marxists chose state control. The anarchists chose worker's control. Basic research.
Did you build your own house, make your own shoes and clothes, grow your own food? No? Well then, you're a collectivist as well, because those things were collectively made.
blackmichael75 1 week ago
@plbuster Cause you're such a retard that you actually think I'm a communist lololol. And you use bs definitions found on wiki. You can't spank me ya little pervert.
GompCelticPL 1 week ago
It's a sad fact that for all their apparent antipathy for religion, Objectivists can't seem to realize that what they follow is a religion in almost every sense.
Philosophy is supposed to be dynamic and distinct for each person, you take elements you agree with from some places and disgard what you disagree with.
Objectivists don't operate this way.
Their methodology goes, "Ayn Rand disagreed with it, therefore it's wrong". That's a religion people.
MsSexySocialist 1 week ago 2