What is the Moral Argument for the Existence of God? (William Lane Craig)
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Dr. William Lane Craig: genius philosopher and amazing Christian. Keep it up, Dr. Craig!
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@PanasonicLemon Just because people's opinions vary doesn't mean objective unchainging absolute moral values dont exist...
In fact its clearly evident through science and sociology that most human beings try to twist, suppress, or ignore their innate inherent moral compass.
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@mehico33 I know. We should me more like North Korea since it is so nice there without all that evil religion.
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The moral argument is a non argument, so theres no objective grounds for absolute morality, so what? Why appeal to a higher power? We have no concrete knowledge of the existence of any sophisticated intelligence besides our own so we make the rules. If moral truth exists where is it? The bible? lol.
As for absolute morality, blanket rulings almost always cause unnecessary suffering, look at theistic states (stoning for adultery, xenophobia etc) for one second and realize you don't want it
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@Robin90modell What gene is that, how did it come about? If evolution is true, how did it evolve, by what mechanism did it activate? To blame genetics for our "falsely.. interpreted.. objective moral values.." is perhaps not based on empiri? If we evolved from animals, that did not have these genes, how then did we get it? In any way, to base an argument on evolution may not be the best argument. =) We share genes with a lot of things.. 40% to the banana, does it have morals? ;)
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@oznerflexo that is still a relative moral value, because what you are proposing is a democratic moral value. so that a majority vote could say "raping women is wrong" one day and then if the majority shifts they could want rape to be legal which still makes it subjective.
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Another way of putting this argument: The existence of moral universals and absolutes that can be apprehended by beings who can violate them imply that a prior mind must have constituted moral truths. Obligation or duty to do what is right when we have the propensity to do the contrary requires an outside command. A moral law that judges the behaviors of the instincts must necessarily require a moral law writer.
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@drcraigvideos first of all, I think you are defining atheism as a doctrine or belief system, which it isn't, it's therejection of belief systems.
And for me it's not an "assumption" that people want to feel safe and don't want to be killed, it's a fact, and we shouldn't live in a society where that was the norm, I don't need to be afraid of eternal holy punishment to understand that, not to mention empathy, which makes you feel sorry for seeing someone else in pain.
ridiculous, we could easily achieve absolut moral arguments without the intervention of theology, therefore disproving the need for a God's existence.
oznerflexo 4 months ago
@oznerflexo Would you like to show us how atheism can account for moral absolutes then? Or are you here to only give us cowardly drive-by comments?
drcraigvideos 4 months ago 4
@drcraigvideos absolutely: if we want to live toghether as a society, there are things we need to establish, for example, you don't want to be killed in a random day for a random reason, so you shouldn't do that and help prevent people from doing it.
It is necessary to understand what makes a good well being for every person and give them that, basically.
When you are ready to reason instead of insult just send me a message and we can discuss it at lenght, I want you to, please.
oznerflexo 4 months ago
@oznerflexo "you don't want to be killed in a random day for a random reason, so you shouldn't do that and help prevent people from doing it." How is that a moral absolute in atheism? Last I saw atheists like Dan Barker argued for moral relativism and said that man is no better than broccoli: watch?v=UHmWBikEYfA. If you can think deeper than a mere assumption, please respond.
drcraigvideos 4 months ago
Would somebody please give me one or two objective truths?
Debordsbullet 4 months ago
@Debordsbullet Uhm, you know by denying objective truths you're actually AFFIRMING an objective truth, don't you?
drcraigvideos 4 months ago 8