@easyandy100, I refer you to the teachings of sun tzu - the art of war. You make your opponent think you are weak and disorganised. This remains the greatest manual of winning conflicts ever written. It is still studied today by warriors and hard headed business types all over the world.
I also do TKD in the UK under the T.A.G.B. I've often wondered if America's love for the sport side of TKD has ruined it reputation for self defense. I've no idea how much SD the WTF course includes but I guess that also varies from club to club. I get the impression most martial arts are/can be good for self defense, indeed from talking to people in other arts it seems a lot of the techniques cross over from one to the other. Its just a case of finding a good club and instructor.
@Afterhourscaffeine I hear that the USA has a lot of McDojos under the guise of TKD so it has a bad rep. I was taught ITF TKD in the UK and graded a number of times by Master Rhee Ki Ha and it is great stuff for SD. ITF TKD is constantly changing and improving techniques or eliminating them altogether if they don't work. Everybody I know that changed to other styles or went down boxing or MT route now wishes they had stayed with TKD including me!
@Easyandy100 About TKD and self defense. I think it depends where you train, i've seen clubs that avoid self defense and literally spar all the time and other clubs that not only teach you self defense but nice "tips" to go along with them. One which made me smile and I've seen used in a real life fight is holding your hands up palm outwards at the start of a confrontation and saying you dont want trouble and generally cowering then unleashing a palm strike to the opponents nose.
@Easyandy100 Agreed. Sparring trains different elements than SD training. In my school when training self defense we would go hard enough for the attacker to relieve himself once he senses the technique was done correctly, but not so far as to seriously injure or maim the attacker. And we do this for the same reason that UFC has rules... in fact, UFC rules is a very good preview of what we would train for self defense in my ITF school. Therefore, true TKD is actually illegal in MMA.
@scarred10 I understand what you are getting at but I recently spoke to a guy who said 'spar like you fight'; if we did that it wouldn't be sparring it would be fighting. If TKD SD were to spar like they fought there would broken bones and eye balls hanging out not to mention the possibliltiy of a few fatalities eg. you can't throw a full contact straight fingers to someones throat. It is impossible to recreate a real situation just approximations with drills/sparring. Where did you train?
@Easyandy100 grappling means you spar full contact using wrestling and submissions,thats the only way yo ever get good at using it in self defense or anywhere.You cant learn anything doing compliant self defense drills.Thats what im referring to when I say tkd has nothing to do with self defense.It adresses nothing of any relevance to a real situation,zero.
@scarred10 I did ITF TKD for seven years and found it very effective. There were take downs and holds, locks etc that I refer to as grappling. The 'sparring' is just the sporting side of it that most people confuse with the SD element.
@easyandy100, I refer you to the teachings of sun tzu - the art of war. You make your opponent think you are weak and disorganised. This remains the greatest manual of winning conflicts ever written. It is still studied today by warriors and hard headed business types all over the world.
Luke42G 1 week ago
I also do TKD in the UK under the T.A.G.B. I've often wondered if America's love for the sport side of TKD has ruined it reputation for self defense. I've no idea how much SD the WTF course includes but I guess that also varies from club to club. I get the impression most martial arts are/can be good for self defense, indeed from talking to people in other arts it seems a lot of the techniques cross over from one to the other. Its just a case of finding a good club and instructor.
Afterhourscaffeine 1 week ago
@Afterhourscaffeine I hear that the USA has a lot of McDojos under the guise of TKD so it has a bad rep. I was taught ITF TKD in the UK and graded a number of times by Master Rhee Ki Ha and it is great stuff for SD. ITF TKD is constantly changing and improving techniques or eliminating them altogether if they don't work. Everybody I know that changed to other styles or went down boxing or MT route now wishes they had stayed with TKD including me!
Easyandy100 1 week ago
@Easyandy100 About TKD and self defense. I think it depends where you train, i've seen clubs that avoid self defense and literally spar all the time and other clubs that not only teach you self defense but nice "tips" to go along with them. One which made me smile and I've seen used in a real life fight is holding your hands up palm outwards at the start of a confrontation and saying you dont want trouble and generally cowering then unleashing a palm strike to the opponents nose.
Afterhourscaffeine 2 weeks ago
@Easyandy100 Probably because they've never experienced the difference between the two.
LucPFT 3 weeks ago
@LucPFT Cheers. I don't know why some people can't understand that SD is so very, very different from sparring.
Easyandy100 3 weeks ago
@Easyandy100 Agreed. Sparring trains different elements than SD training. In my school when training self defense we would go hard enough for the attacker to relieve himself once he senses the technique was done correctly, but not so far as to seriously injure or maim the attacker. And we do this for the same reason that UFC has rules... in fact, UFC rules is a very good preview of what we would train for self defense in my ITF school. Therefore, true TKD is actually illegal in MMA.
LucPFT 3 weeks ago
@scarred10 I understand what you are getting at but I recently spoke to a guy who said 'spar like you fight'; if we did that it wouldn't be sparring it would be fighting. If TKD SD were to spar like they fought there would broken bones and eye balls hanging out not to mention the possibliltiy of a few fatalities eg. you can't throw a full contact straight fingers to someones throat. It is impossible to recreate a real situation just approximations with drills/sparring. Where did you train?
Easyandy100 1 month ago
@Easyandy100 grappling means you spar full contact using wrestling and submissions,thats the only way yo ever get good at using it in self defense or anywhere.You cant learn anything doing compliant self defense drills.Thats what im referring to when I say tkd has nothing to do with self defense.It adresses nothing of any relevance to a real situation,zero.
scarred10 1 month ago
@scarred10 I did ITF TKD for seven years and found it very effective. There were take downs and holds, locks etc that I refer to as grappling. The 'sparring' is just the sporting side of it that most people confuse with the SD element.
Easyandy100 1 month ago