DOJIME judo body triangle or scissors

Judo vs BJJ and Jujitsu teams event, 5 person team, (3 draws 2 losses by dojime - winner stayed out)
Ref said no spine locks or neck cranks counted but I think this is a spine crush.... in the first submission our Judoka was merely pointing out the perceived illegal technique to referee but that was taken as a submission.
My point of view was "rules state no spine locks"
JJ coach said this dojime is not a spine lock, dojime was a body triangle, crush.
In the second instance clear pressure on spine was attributed to judoka twisting to evade technique, that was a spinelock.
If a rib/stomach crush become a spine lock, in my opinion it crosses the safety line. Then the persons should be disqualified (usual judo refereeing safety approach)
Both judoka not injured, (just our pride)
wouldnt advise eating lots just before training in this technique...

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[matperry65]

Judo guys always bitch about Bjj players it's because judo guys are inferior to Bjj players that's why

[chchjudoschool]

@matperry65

It possibly not understanding a confusing area about spine locks in the rules, when we have dojime banned in judo for supposedly good reasons, while BJJ allow this application, with a choke, where I am sure pressure to the spine is independent of the issue of whether or not a spine lock is going on, and significant damage could be done. These are real reasons to legitimately question a rule set,

I know you are stirring but I am explaining a logic from judoka perspective.

[JBMontgomery87]

The trunk squeeze / body strangle / do jime compresses the ribcage, not the spine.

[chchjudoschool]

@JBMontgomery87

Makes you feel like your bladder/kidney are going to explode...pain, has anyone been injured that you are aware of??

There can also be back pain when its coupled with a twist by the person evading, i thinkthis is the scenario judo catered for in restricting the move to randori, not shiai (contest)

[loudenvier]

These are the pertinent BJJ rules:

PROHIBITED TECHNIQUES

FROM ADULT THROUGH SENIOR (BROWN AND BLACKBELT)

SLAM FROM THE GUARD

CERVICAL LOCK(only without chokes)

SCISSORS TAKEDOWN

HEEL HOOK

[chchjudoschool]

@loudenvier Is that a cervical lock, with a choke?

[loudenvier]

@loudenvier [... that made the GUY tap ...] I'm terribly sorry for that slight spelling mistake... :-)

[loudenvier]

@chchjudoschool I would avoid doing that in competition though, because not all referees are really knowledgeable of the rules as one would expect :-)

[loudenvier]

@chchjudoschool It looks so, but I would have to see from the front to actually determine if there was really a choke going on. If that was a choke, than the lock is allowed, because one can't say if it is the lock or the choke that made the gay tap.. What you can't have is a "naked cervical lock"...

[lee1990lee]

@Wrath666Child theres plenty of ways for somone to get your back and if its locked you cant get out unless they let up so man up or dont compete is just stupid if you get court then it doesnt mean you should stop its a move for a reason because it makes people tap

[JBMontgomery87]

@chchjudoschool Doubtful - the spine looks less extended here than it would be performing a simple wrestler's bridge. Pretty sure it was ribcage compression the judoka submitted to.