Sam Shamoun: The Islamic Dilemma

Sam Shamoun speaking on the Quran's confirmation of the Bible

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[ceeker248]

@kingkhan2 If it is then that only proves how mixed up Muhammad was he said and did one thing one minute and changed his mind the next

[ceeker248]

@kingkhan2 Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:...They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.. Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4434. ... That ayat can not be about the torah

[ceeker248]

@kingkhan2 " who distort the Book (words through hebrew prophets)with their tongues " again distorting the reading with your tongue does not mean the text was corrupted or lost

[ceeker248]

@kingkhan2 The Sahaba narrated that Muhammad explained the whole Quran, He prayed over Ibn abbas to have ilm of it, in a authentic hadeeth Muhammad said the ulmah are the inheritors of the prophets..if 100 percent of the Hikma ..the other revelation given to Muhammad has not been preserved then Allah's revelation can be lost.

[ceeker248]

@kingkhan2 Must i post the text of the ahadeeth for you? " I did not say no one can understand religion except prophets " here is your quote " So if know one can understand religion but prophets " so you are changing you mind now that i pointed out the logical problem in your statement? If know one understand it 100% then it has all been corrupted because the Quran says Muhammad was given the Quran and the Hikma the explanation of the Quran .. Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #129,

[ceeker248]

@kingkhan2 Read any Tafsir of that ayat they all said ' CHANGE the words from their (right) places' means they misread the Text not that the text had been changed. In a authentic hadeeth the Jews skipped over a verse in the Torah and Muhammad ordered one of his sahaba to take the book from the Jew and read it correctly then Muhammad passed judgment on the Jews based on what the TEXT of the Bible said. read the Tafsir of Surah 5: 43-48

[ceeker248]

@kingkhan2 If anything this show's Islam is mixed up and that Muhammad had know idea of what he was talking about He confirmed the Bible in Surah 7:157, Surah 2:89, Surah 10:37, surah 2:106, 5:43-48, 53:36, and other ayat, and many ahdeeth that are authentic, so obvious Muhammad didn't know the Bible he was confirming contained the thing he is objecting to in Surah 4:157

[kingkhan2]

Quran 002.079

: Then woe to those who write the Book(against words of God through hebrew prophets) with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

[kingkhan2]

003.078 regrding jews and christians

: There is among them a section who distort the Book (words through hebrew prophets)with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!

[kingkhan2]

005.013 REAGRDING JEWS But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they CHANGE the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.