Barney Ross vs. Henry Armstrong 380531

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[Mowglieboy69]

Fantastic fighter! Looked awkward but his constant swarming, stay on you style would eventually break down and tire any fighter, and the best thing is, he NEVER got tired.

[GustavusAdolphus1]

No doubt Armstrong was ana animal, but there was really only a 7 lb. difference betw. the men, and more important than the weight differential was age and ring ware. This wasn't the best version or Ross, and though it took a truly great fighter in Armstrong (who was entering his best years here) to do what was done, this fight does Ross no justice.

[dempsey981]

armstrong looks brilliant,balance power speed.

[dempsey981]

i feel like maybe archie moore modeled his style with armstrong in mind.i see similaritys.i can see a little dempsey in henry as well.these styles are emulated and passed on

[tw69hands2]

@GustavusAdolphus1:

Cerdan was not a defensive fighter at all. He swarmed. He didn't box against Zale. He moved around and then dove in to attack. He wasn't really good at slipping punches. He blocked pretty well, but Cerdan's game was offense not defense.

[Kedbuka]

@GustavusAdolphus1 With all the name dropping, you forgot to mention Benny Leonard. And Cerdan and Benitez? Dude...you seem to live  in your own boxing world. Count me out.

[GustavusAdolphus1]

@Kedbuka Pep made pure defensive Boxing commonplace. Men like Tunney, Loughran, Johnson and Gibbons certainly preceded him. However, Pep took it to a whole different level kinetically. Further, he defied the judges to score against fighters that might have been regarded as overly cautious. He popularized "hopping on the bike".

Look at Cerdan or Benitez for examples of more traditional defensive Boxing. Consider Hagler-Leonard a near clean-sweep for Hagler from a traditional judge's perspective.

[GustavusAdolphus1]

@Kedbuka Whitaker was far superior to Jones from a technical stand-point. Jones was a great athlete, but nothing extraordinary. There have been a lot of Boxers on par with him. In more recent decades, however, other sports have sopped up more of the bigger men from the talent pool than Boxing has. So Jones enjoyed a tremendous breadth of talent over most the opposition.

[Kedbuka]

@GustavusAdolphus1 Your reference Pep and Jones is slightly obtuse...except maybe to you. I don't agree with your remark about Whitaker being a "much better fighter than Jones." I don't think any fighter ever was much better than Jones from a pure talent perspective. As for Martinez, you think more of him than I do, which is to say, not much. In any event, you're right, I don't want to get into a complex discussion. So long, dude.

[GustavusAdolphus1]

@Kedbuka God, no! I would never use words like "evolve" and "de-evolve". It's stupid semantics. Rather than delving into a complex discussion. I suggest simply looking at what Pep influenced. Then taken a look at Jones' work and connect the dots.

Martinez, IMO, is the best example of a "throw-back" fighter. Whitaker, a much better fighter than Jones, is very comparable to Pep. Byrd and Mayweather are others I'd favorably compare with the sport's greatest defensive fighters ever.

[Kedbuka]

@GustavusAdolphus1 So then what you're saying is boxing has "devolved" instead of evolved? Because there's probably never been a better balanced fighter to enter the ring than Pep. Same with his footwork. RJJ's one of my fav' fighters but he was all reflex--and they might've been the fastest set of reflexes ever. But take a look at Juan Manuel Marquez, a beautiful fighter in the classic sense. He's an example of how boxing HASN'T changed. Yet he's undeniably a great fighter.

[GustavusAdolphus1]

@notthelastword At an all-you-can-eat-buffet, or on a celebrity-reality show, like "The Apprentice" or "Dancing with the Stars," Yes.

There's no way Shane could have made the Jr. Welterweight limit in the 30's.