The historical 'problems' of the NT

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[MrJenkster]

@garethac81 "SEE FOR YOURSELF" That's exactly what I intend to do

[garethac81]

@MrJenkster

You're missing the point...Paul's letters are self-contradicting, and his sighting of the resurrected Jesus is unsubstantiated. This is not a matter for debate...these are facts. Read the text, and notice the absence of corroborating testimonies. SEE FOR YOURSELF. You don't need a charlatan like Habermas to play middle man...especially when his only purpose is to obscure and omit any pertinent information which makes his faith look foolish.

[MrJenkster]

@garethac81 "Its not even worth debating" I don't take Habermas's statements as absolute truth anymore than I'm going to take yours as the same without checking the references myself so from that perspective, its entirely worth debating for me.

[garethac81]

"I've only seen a couple of videos on here so far"

Don't bother watching the rest. As a Christian scholar attempting to prove Jesus' resurrection, Habermas is entirely typical - he is happy to overlook glaring contradictions and treat unsubstantiated claims as "gospel" (pun intended), purely because his faith dictates that he does so. Paul's letters are so easily disqualified as a reliable historical source, I was able to do it in a single post on YouTube...it's not even worth debating.

[MrJenkster]

@garethac81 Well Dr Gary Habermas seems to disagree with you on that front. He doesn't just cite Pauls letters (though its interesting he says critical scholars allow at least some of Pauls letters as evidence) but he does use part of them to form a timeline. I'm putting this in a simplistic way and not getting into any of the details since I'm still trying to get hold of his book to look at his full claims, I've only seen a couple of videos on here so far

[garethac81]

As a historical source, Paul's letters are an absolute farce. Paul says he saw a resurrected Jesus along with 500 other witnesses...and how many of these witnesses produced testimonies to corroborate his claim? ZERO. Then Paul can't decide whether he saw Jesus as a person or a vision in the sky, or whether all the 500 "witnesses" heard Jesus speak or only Paul himself heard a voice in his head. What you're left with is a source that is as unsubstantiated as it is blatantly self-contradicting.

[MrJenkster]

@garethac81 Dr Gary Habermas has done extensive research on the resurrection of Jesus and actually cites Pauls letters not the Gospels during his research. There are several videos on here detailing his process and his conclusion

[seekfears]

google Doe's Account.

[garethac81]

When judging the authenticity of Jesus resurrection, one must always consider the reliability of the best source of information: the Gospels. Written several decades after the resurrection had supposedly taken place, at a time when it was extremely unlikely that any potential eyewitness would still be alive to offer testimony.

When all you have to go on is second-hand hearsay based on 40-70 year old folk tales, how convinced are you prepared to be?

[garethac81]

2nd point: Bock bases the authenticity of Jesus' resurrection on the unlikely possibility of the myth being invented from scratch. What Bock neglects to consider is the possibility that the resurrection myth grew out of an unsubstantiated rumour. Is it so hard to conceive that excitable hearsay about an empty tomb was quickly distorted into unconfirmed "sightings" of Jesus, by poorly educated people eager to believe their "messiah" had returned?