Judo: Newaza randori (André, Pedro)

Newaza randori
Judoka: André (black belt), Pedro (black belt)
Date: September, 26th, 2007
Location: Mehdi Academy, Ipanema, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

André is one of the exponents in newaza at Mehdi academy. In this relaxed randori with Pedro he shows some of his skills by always maintaining a dominant position and even managing to apply a nice ude-garami in the end (don't call it "Kimura" in front of Mehdi sensei...). Once again the main aim was to study newaza transitions (turn-overs, immobilizations, etc.) not submissions.

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• newaza
• randori
• kasetsuwaza
• shimewaza
• shime
• armlock
• ude-garami
• judo
• mehdi
• martial
• arts
• ipanema
• rio
• georges
• kastriot

[Grove2000]

the direction of that ude-garami was illegal. the only way you can apply a shoulder lock in judo in which it is legal is if your opponent is on his back with his arm out making an 'L' shape, rather than a inverted 'L' shape, as shown in this video.

[loudenvier]

@Grove2000 This technique is perfectly legal. The 'L' shape isn't the most efficient way to apply ude-garami, you should bring uke elbow as close as possible to his body in a 'V' shape. Ude-garami includes two techniques known in BJJ as Kimura (the one done here) and americana (the 'L' shaped you've mentioned). I've seen that you're not shodan yet, and your mistake is acceptable. Consult book Armlocks - Judo Masterclass Techniques - by Neil Adams pages 51 to 54, or a competent sensei.

[loudenvier]

@Grove2000 Sorry if I've sounded a little harsh! It's late here! A very nice place to meet me and other Judoka and discuss these kind of questions, techniques... is the judoforum (judoforumDOTcom), you can reach me there with the same nick "loudenvier". If you ask this same question there I will be more than happy to provide you with scans from the books, and other sources. You can even do udegarami with your legs (BJJ omoplata) and that is legal too - Kashiwazaki sensei was fond of it!

[GinZen1]

Isn't a kimura illegal in judo?

[loudenvier]

No. And Kimura is just the Brazilian name for the judo technique called Ude-Garami (arm entanglement) that Masahiko KIMURA used to break Helio's Gracie arm. This is called Kimura in BJJ in honor of one of the (if not the) greatest Judoka of all time Masahiko Kimura. There's a catch: Judo give name to principles of applications, not to specific variations, so ude-garami can be done in two directions, so it includes the Kimura and the Americana/Arm-bar of BJJ. Keep training!

[GinZen1]

I heard that kimura kept on using his new inverted ude garami in the kodokan and Kano kicked him out. i got told not to go for it in competition because it is a shoulder lock and judo only allows chokes/arm locks.

It might have been because i did it while he was in my guard so it was on the shoulder but was yours on the elbow joint?

[loudenvier]

It hurts both the shoulder and the elbow. Correctly applying it (the most painful way) will make the elbow snap before the shoulder in a person without a compromised shoulder. Anyway, Kimura was never expelled from the Kodokan because of that. Kimura had trouble with the Kodokan for other reasons, but not that (e.g: he didn't give back the champion flag after winning it 3 or 4 times in a row...)

[mazquechato]

gracias por subirlo todo lindo saludos les envio de chile

[electronikita]

"Roll'im over bra! Roll him!!!!!, come on ROLL HIM"

[m419s]

absolutely brilliant judo are very competent on the ground as well as standing i think a good jodoka would do well against a bjj fighter i think

[RodrigoCabanillas]

@loudenvier

He had also troubles for going into pro wrestling, but that was a long time after Kano's death.

[tyebo87]

Nice!! we do lot of newaza randori at my judo club. its good so if i only score wazari with a throw then im better prepared to end the fight on the ground rather than fail and maybe my opponents throws me for ippon when we stand back up.