This may be our most important video--and its not even a video! Its more of a slide show--a FACTUAL one.
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http://www.combatreform.org/AFJIM113A3gavinbeatsbradleypage70.jpg
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Its a slide show of the May 1992, Armed Forces Journal magazine which on page 70 shows a photo of an up-engined M113A3 Gavin BEATING an up-engined M2 Bradley in a paved ROAD RACE. Can't get any more favorable terrain than this. Since then, the Bradley has only got heavier (36 tons) with greater ground pressure and is even LESS mobile (barely over 35 mph on roads) than it was back then. The Caption reads:
M-113A3 APC Beats Bradley By Four Lengths...or More
The latest version of the Army's M-113 armored personnel carrier, which was first fielded in the early 1960s, proves it can still keep up with modern maneuver forces. An M-113A3 pulls away from a Bradley M-2A2 fighting vehicle as it crosses the finish line at an Army "drag race" held March 19th at FMC Corp. in San Jose, CA. FMC builds both vehicles. The M-113A3, which weighs about one-third as much as the 33-ton M-2A2, is equipped with a 275-horsepower Detroit Diesel6V53T turbocharged engine. The Bradley has a 600-hp Cummins V-903 turbocharged diesel engine.
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THE LIE that "the Bradley is more mobile than the M113A3 Gavin" has been corrected forever. Its high time for the U.S. Army to relearn WHAT RIGHT LOOKS LIKE.
Those who spread such lies don't know what they are talking about and are damaging THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA that needs CLOSED TERRAIN MOBILITY capabilities that only M113 Gavin light tracks can provide for our light infantry to have transport/fire support so we fight the enemy with superior overmatch--not at a disastrous "Blackhawk Down!" M16 vs. AK47 + AKM foot-slog. Heavier vehicle forces also need a CAVALRY in M113 Gavin variant light tank/APCs moving ahead to screen the ground for mobility suitability and make first contact with the enemy so we can DEVELOP THE SITUATION to our advantage--not just slam into them with the main body in a meeting engagement and have to fight for our lives; win, lose or draw in decisive engagement--as what befell the 3rd ID (M) whose wheeled Humvee scouts couldn't be sent ahead lest they get pinned-down and destroyed as the truck-borne marines were to the east (why they were 6 days AWOL to Baghdad allowing Saddam & loyalists to escape to start rebellion against us) in their epic, "Thunder Run" into Baghdad:
http://www.combatreform.org/thunderrun.htm
The laws of physics on planet earth don't lie or bend to greedy defense contractors like FMC/UDLP/BAe (see HBO black comedy "Pentagon Wars" on our playlist) who want only to supply America's Army with medium-weight Bradleys for OPEN TERRAIN heavy forces who have over the years after the AFJI piece was run covered-up the fact that their up-engined M113A3 or other type Gavins as LIGHT TRACKED TANKS/APCs @ 11 tons with 300 horsepower BEAT Bradleys that are 3x times heavier with only 600 hp--do the math--in MOBILITY in ALL TERRAINS. Up-engined, low-ground pressurte, M113 Gavins are what America's LIGHT forces need--not bloated, high-ground pressure wheeled Humvee/Stryker/MRAP trucks.
http://www.combatreform.org/WHEELSVSTRACKS/index.htm
BAE can keep on selling improved Bradleys for America's HEAVY units to use for 2D OPEN TERRAIN maneuver AND (read that again--AND) upgrade M113 Gavins for our light forces to be Light Air-Mechanized for 3D maneuver over and through ALL terrains. We CAN "chew bubble gum & walk"--if we are PROFESSIONAL and not bureaucrats--in an ego pyramid where only "one" thing can be on top. Life is complicated; one-size does NOT fit all in war any more than it does in peace. Bureaucrats that want to homogenize America's Army into one medium-weight platform to make their bean-counting life easier are KILLING and MAIMING our Soldiers and harming our defense.
http://www.combatreform.org/ARMORHISTORY/index.htm
And yes, Virginia, the up-engined M113A3 Super Gavin is not only more mobile than Bradleys its BETTER PROTECTED because its fuel tanks are OUTSIDE and thick high hardness steel or ceramic tiles and RPG pre-det caging can be added to its 1.75" THICK HULL THAT IS ALREADY THICKER THAN THE 1" Bradley's in the first place. More power-to-weight ratio in the Gavin also means more passive armor like described and ACTIVE armor like the IMI IronFist that defeats heavy tank main gun rounds as well as anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) and RPGs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5xuui-2WLU
You can even put 25mm turrets like the bloated Bradley has or better 1-man ones on Gavins and they will still swim and remain C-130 air-transportable!
http://www.uniteddefense.com/www.m113.com/eifv.html
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Why the United Artist intro jingle music?
Textrybal 2 months ago
@Textrybal I like the dramatic effect it gives.
dynmicpara 2 months ago
The Bradley is more of a Tank....
marineooo5 5 months ago
@marineooo5 ANYTHING that is TRACKED and ARMORED is a TANK. Don't get confused as to what a "tank" is by a narrow and dangerous definition as only tracks with turrets that fight other tanks etc. You'll end up confused and incompetent: like U.S. Army Armor branch which is headed to ruin!
dynmicpara 2 months ago
M113 is an APC. Bradley is an IFV. Different roles on battlefields. Wanna make an IFV from M113? Ok... add more armor, add ERA, put remote operated turret with 30mm auto-cannon with stabilization in both planes, put 4tubes for TOW missiles, and at least one secondary weapon like heavy machinegun or automatic grenade launcher, add GPS, BMS, and of course FCS with thermal sights. And then we can put it in direct comparison with Bradley.
BitnikGr 8 months ago
@BitnikGr REGARDLESS, they are all TANKS. Once you understand and apply what a TANK is, then you can sub-categorize functions. If you don't understand the essence, you will be lost--like Armor branch is--and on its way to oblivion.
dynmicpara 2 months ago
@BitnikGr Oh, and one thing, there already exists M113 Gavins with a crap Bradley 2-man turret plopped on their hulls: look up the EIFV. More confusion but a better LIGHT TANK than the Bradley medium tank when you're done.
dynmicpara 2 months ago