Seidokaikan vs world Oyama 1991 challenge

From the 1991 challenge event between seidokaikan karate and the world Oyama karate organization (both offshots from kyokushin).
This was one of the first of the of the seidokaikan challenge event that would eventually grow into the K-1 kickboxing tournament in 1993.

Final bout of the day. A young Masaaki Satake (later k-1 and pride legend) vs a aging Willy Williams (former kyokushin legend, but here member of world oyama).

Classic fullcontact knockdown karate rules =no punches or elbows to the head, only below the neck.
Kicks and knees anywhere.

Category:

Sports

Tags:

• kyokushin
• seidokaikan
• oyama
• budo
• karate
• kyokushinkai

[delxforce]

The World Oyama branch does have open hand strikes, though I can't speak for kyokushin as a whole. They are allowed to be used in formal sparring exercises, but it really isn't a good idea from a "no injury" standpoint of training to allow their use during free fighting.

[kolsyrade]

you can use open hand techniques in any knockdown karate version. Kyokushin, seidokaikan, enshin, ashihara -whatever.

As long as you dont target forbidden areas in knockdown (face, throat & groin) you can use whatever punch you think you can pull off. And they are formally trained in all the styles.

You dont see them used in competitions very often, but they ARE allowed.

[neijiaboy]

I think the Japanese guy has more refined technique whereas the American guy is just bigger. Big disadvantage for the Japanese when you're practicing a style that has filtered out lots of the more effective moves and is only limited to a few moves tailored for competition only.

I think it would make more sense to just wear full protection and go back to the more traditional styles like Okinawan Karate.

[lagook]

need a bas rutten liver punch

dangadadangadadangada

[dokokai]

@CTuxford Kicking at close & far distance is common in Kyokushin. And Saatake (Japanese guy) was fighting a world class Kyokushin fighter (Willie Williams) with 20 years of full contact fighting experience already behind him. So he was no easy opponent to beat... even at the age of 40 (which is usually past retirement age for pro fighters).

[dokokai]

@CTuxford Matches are only 3 minutes with (2) one minute overtime extensions if needed. There is very little time to create perfect distancing when the goal is a KO or Knockdown to get the win so it's usually full steam ahead. This was a special event that had individual match ups but a in a regular knockdown tournament the fighters would fight several rounds with different opponents if they advance each round. It's a test of skill, will & endurance.Bare knuckle drains your energy.Give it a try.

[MikeKSG]

@rotarymenace Thanks.

[rotarymenace]

@kolsyrade thats good, because the more i learn katas, i feel it makes more sense when u are advanced. i have been training in iko1 for a little more than 5 years. and i appreciate katas more now ;)

[kolsyrade]

@rotarymenace. Sorry but Seidokan and shidokan both have traditional kata. fewer than kyokushin, but they still have them.

If you watch my vid "Seidokaikan Karate demo by Nobuaki Kakuda" you get to see Kakuda do a seidokan kata at a demo (apparently they reserve trad kata training for advanced grades, so lower grades seldom do them), and if you look up youtube user shidopanther, he has several videos where he shows shidokan kata (they teach trad kata from beginner grades and on).

[rotarymenace]

@MikeKSG I know that the biggest difference is the director or the person who is in charge of the organization. I learned that in seidokaikan or shidokaikan, there is no kata. But I maybe wrong on that.

[MikeKSG]

@rotarymenace What are the differences??

[rotarymenace]

@MikeKSG seido

kaikan is a branch off kyokushin. seido kaikan started k1

[psychedashell]

@neijiaboy Some do. They call it an animal day.