Freedomain Radio Debates The Venus Project/Zeitgeist Moving Forward (Peter Joseph)

Podcast: http://www.fdrurl.com/FDR1847 - Stefan Molyneux, host of Freedomain Radio, engages the Venus Project in a passionate debate about the future of the world - http://www.freedomainradio.com

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• anarchism
• atheism
• austrian
• economics
• fiat currency
• federal reserve
• economy
• collapse
• philosophy
• christianity
• calculation problem
• Mises

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

You just admitted that money has nothing to do with the programming. It exists in the absence of money. In fact, since it applies both to modern men and to pre-historic cavemen, might we make the leap that it applies to all observable and theoretically observable men throughout human history?

Would you also say it applies to animals? I'm thinking you almost have to, since you characterize the behaviour as non-human. Right?

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

categorize them as non-human? In practical terms, what does that mean for the purposes of your political policy, exactly? You'll forgive me my hyperbole if I'm a little bit leery about statements like that. -

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

- unfeasible?

You know, if you people actually believed in this fantastic technology you keep spouting as the solution to all problems, you wouldn't be making videos on YouTube and asking for donations. You would find some part of the last remnants of the market economy where you're still allowed by the state to use it, and you'd make enough money to build a dozen cities.

So anytime someone consumes more than they "should", you consider this proof that it is appropriate to-

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@CntthnkO15

So you're saying producers purposefully restrict their output, forsaking a competitive advantage and the prospect of enormous profits until their competitors catch up?

Furthermore, it's not just one industry for a brief time or the jurisdiction of one (potentially competition-inhibiting) state, but ALL producers everywhere and forevermore?

Or, is it just that the technology, under present conditions of scarcity and of its own maturity, is itself wasteful and -

[CntthnkO15]

@PanzerDivisionBOM If we organize our production and upgrade to full technology, we would be able to feed, cloth, and house all humans. In this system, it isn't possible because there aren't that many jobs available and in the near future, many will be disappearing.

[CntthnkO15]

@PanzerDivisionBOM The idea of gorging is false, it shouldn't happen, if it does, that person is not civilized nor is he considered human by definition. So, not saying people don't gorge, just saying in a cooperative society, we wouldn't have stupid problems like that. People are programmed to act this way, life is a business to the owners of this world, and we are all puppets.

[glasnikov]

@glasnikov i was trying to say that the "cult" of GDP growth is indeed something that must be argued against. It is a real problem, that economic growth is associated with this brute measure called the GDP. Unfortunately people often think this means that economic growth is bad or impossible or unsustainable, when they are actually talking about this perverted measure of economic growth.

[glasnikov]

@stefbot you touched the subject of the impossibility of infinite economic growth. I believe the thinking behind that is based on the view that since economy is measured by GDP, it is true that it is not a value in itself, even though that is how it is often portrayed. These "degrowth" people have a valid point, but they seem to often mix up these concepts such as consumerism and production with GDP etc...

[stronghold10a]

great great debate stef. High level of gravitas in your words. Much-welcomed

[TheTime4solutions]

My gut instinct before I listened was that the hiway to hell is paved with good intentions, why improve upon nature, sovereign humans do not recognize all these governments and debt slave jobs, and corporatons and on and on. Enlightened disengagement is the only response to the parasitical Rothschild false debt slave system.