I'm not a percussion wiz so forgive me, when you start off hitting the clave on beats 2 and 3 the first time around, the conga rhythm starts to sound like you started it on the last beat initially instead of the first. is this some crazy syncopation or am I missing the point?
You are right, there's no clave in cha cha cha, most percussionist will always tell you that it's always there, that if not played it's implied, blah blah blah, the bottom line is that if you play it to the tumbao itself it sounds good and it fits, but it clashes with all of the other instruments and patterns in the groove in an actual song. I have never heard in my life a Cha cha cha with clave played. I am both a percussionist and a guitar player. The real clave of Cha cha cha is the guiro.
The clave is fundamental to Cha cha cha which is one of the basic marchas. The clave in afro-cuban music is what holds the whole band together. When we play we all know exactly the direction of the clave but in most cases it is not played but implied. Something that must be part of your inner self if you play, cha cha cha, salsa, mambo, timba, latin jazz etc
Clave is the key to latin music. You can't just play by finding the one. The clave gives the direction off the call and response pattern that the whole group 'keys' off. So when armando goes on the big drum he always does that on the 3 side of the clave. This absolutely fundamental.
I wonder why you play clave in a cha cha chá as I found different sources saying there is no clave in cha cha chá, e.g. here
zen30989 dot zen dot co dot uk/chap4 dot htm
As you are not the first one who seems to disagree I wondered if you have ever heard this and if you could think of a reason why some people think that way and others don't?
I'm not a percussion wiz so forgive me, when you start off hitting the clave on beats 2 and 3 the first time around, the conga rhythm starts to sound like you started it on the last beat initially instead of the first. is this some crazy syncopation or am I missing the point?
AlanSessler 1 month ago
@vcelouco ....gracias ....viva brasil.....saludos
MrArmando6967 1 year ago
I like it, man. Are you playing the clave with your foot? Either way, it's right on!
ManOfRhythm 2 years ago
Adoro esse tipo de toque muito bem elaborado e tocado, parabéns.
vcelouco 3 years ago
You are right, there's no clave in cha cha cha, most percussionist will always tell you that it's always there, that if not played it's implied, blah blah blah, the bottom line is that if you play it to the tumbao itself it sounds good and it fits, but it clashes with all of the other instruments and patterns in the groove in an actual song. I have never heard in my life a Cha cha cha with clave played. I am both a percussionist and a guitar player. The real clave of Cha cha cha is the guiro.
zarapico 3 years ago
The clave is fundamental to Cha cha cha which is one of the basic marchas. The clave in afro-cuban music is what holds the whole band together. When we play we all know exactly the direction of the clave but in most cases it is not played but implied. Something that must be part of your inner self if you play, cha cha cha, salsa, mambo, timba, latin jazz etc
derbeno 3 years ago
I think there's no second slap, the left hand just plays very clear "toe" strokes.
salseroberlinense 3 years ago
In many other styles yes, I just don't see it like that in cha cha chá, so I am surprised that this video has that title.
salseroberlinense 3 years ago
Clave is the key to latin music. You can't just play by finding the one. The clave gives the direction off the call and response pattern that the whole group 'keys' off. So when armando goes on the big drum he always does that on the 3 side of the clave. This absolutely fundamental.
HoneyTigre 3 years ago
I wonder why you play clave in a cha cha chá as I found different sources saying there is no clave in cha cha chá, e.g. here
zen30989 dot zen dot co dot uk/chap4 dot htm
As you are not the first one who seems to disagree I wondered if you have ever heard this and if you could think of a reason why some people think that way and others don't?
salseroberlinense 4 years ago