@GTBeauregard The brain might be formed in the 8th week, but the neuropassages required for fetuses to have any type of pain signal sent to the brain is not there. The brain is disconnected from the body and cannot perceive pain until 20 weeks later. See the 2005 article from Discover Magazine by Elise Kleeman entitled "When Does a Fetus Feel Pain?" You can search for it on discovermagazine (dot) com.
@SickMouth Where did you get that? Organogenesis ends at the 8th week - first trimester; at this point the brain is formed. Regardless, are you saying its ok to murder as long as the person doesn't feel pain and/or is unaware of his/her death?
@GTBeauregard Fetuses can't feel anything until the third trimester, and by this time hardly ANYONE gets an abortion. The VAST (like 98%) majority of abortions occur before this point.
@GTBeauregard "Living" and "children" being the key words here. Children can feel and suffer. Fetuses cannot. There is the difference. Your comparison is invalid.
You establish that it is a separate organism but you do not establish that it is a human life. Those qualities which define the value of humanity over the value of other lifeforms are not present. At the point that it can think and feel then yes it is human life and it has rights. But before that point a woman has a choice to decide whether she thinks it is immoral and not right for her. I urge that no one get an abortion if you think it's immoral.
FINALLY, a secular point of view against abortion that is actually sort of logical.
So if a woman were pregnant but was also poor and barely able to support herself, much less another human being, would you really go up to her and say "you must keep the baby and get on with your life"? Do you hold a funeral whenever there is a miscarriage, as you would do should another human loved one die?
And why the hell do you care about fetuses but don't care about the death penalty or war?
@GTBeauregard The brain might be formed in the 8th week, but the neuropassages required for fetuses to have any type of pain signal sent to the brain is not there. The brain is disconnected from the body and cannot perceive pain until 20 weeks later. See the 2005 article from Discover Magazine by Elise Kleeman entitled "When Does a Fetus Feel Pain?" You can search for it on discovermagazine (dot) com.
SickMouth 1 week ago
@SickMouth Where did you get that? Organogenesis ends at the 8th week - first trimester; at this point the brain is formed. Regardless, are you saying its ok to murder as long as the person doesn't feel pain and/or is unaware of his/her death?
GTBeauregard 1 week ago
@GTBeauregard Fetuses can't feel anything until the third trimester, and by this time hardly ANYONE gets an abortion. The VAST (like 98%) majority of abortions occur before this point.
SickMouth 1 week ago
@SickMouth What is your definition of a fetus? A 40 wk fetus can most definitely feel pain.
GTBeauregard 1 week ago
@GTBeauregard "Living" and "children" being the key words here. Children can feel and suffer. Fetuses cannot. There is the difference. Your comparison is invalid.
SickMouth 1 week ago
@CoLegacy Great point, but when people say "abortion" they are speaking of non-natural termination of pregnancy; unless your in the obsterical ward.
GTBeauregard 1 week ago
@SickMouth And a woman who is unhappy with her living children is also deprived - she should be able to murder them as well.
GTBeauregard 1 week ago
You establish that it is a separate organism but you do not establish that it is a human life. Those qualities which define the value of humanity over the value of other lifeforms are not present. At the point that it can think and feel then yes it is human life and it has rights. But before that point a woman has a choice to decide whether she thinks it is immoral and not right for her. I urge that no one get an abortion if you think it's immoral.
zippythewildone 6 months ago
FINALLY, a secular point of view against abortion that is actually sort of logical.
So if a woman were pregnant but was also poor and barely able to support herself, much less another human being, would you really go up to her and say "you must keep the baby and get on with your life"? Do you hold a funeral whenever there is a miscarriage, as you would do should another human loved one die?
And why the hell do you care about fetuses but don't care about the death penalty or war?
Heyprinny 7 months ago
Abortion is wrong in every situation. It is selfish, cowardly and premeditated murder.
AtTheCornerCafe 1 year ago