Tribulation - Fall 2011 (Pt 1 of 3)
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@yesushiai We will be changed and perfected as we are "called up" to the marriage supper of the lamb. The faithful will be rewarded for there hard work and sacrifices that they made for God. Not have to go through the worst times in human history.
MrRooster1133 3 months ago
@yesushiai I did not say the trib. is the wrath of God, I said 1/2. Just read what I say. We are supposed to be spreading the gospel to everyone. As we do this the Bible tells us we will suffer persecutions. Our troubles and trials are supposed to be going on now as we live and spread the gospel. Just like those Christians in other countries who are doing what they are supposed to.
MrRooster1133 3 months ago
@MrRooster1133 I think the wrath of God lasts only about 6 months towards the end, because there is a place where it says man are so tormented for 5 months that they seek death but death escape them. Anyway just my thought.
yesushiai 3 months ago
@MrRooster1133 We have a life time to be tried before the end comes. What makes you think that when the tribulation come we would already be perfected and no more trials is necessary? And what about those who are saved just before the tribulation? Even now there are many Christians in China, Russia, Africa being persecuted, tortured and martyred as we sit comfortably in our home commenting here. Why does God allow them to suffer? Are we better or more faithful than them that we should be spared?
yesushiai 3 months ago
@MrRooster1133 Tribulation is NOT the wrath of God. There are 2 parts to it. Wrath of Satan and wrath of God. Christians face the wrath of Satan, while unbelievers face the wrath of God. We will not face the wrath of God because we will be sealed. Rev7:3 ‘Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God. To obtain salvation doesn't mean no trials. The apostles went through trials were they not saved?
yesushiai 3 months ago
@yesushiai I understand your argument of God putting us through trials. But our trials are going on now. Meaning as we spread the gospel we will be persecuted and put through trials and tests. Not through the tribulation, its not for us. 1/2 the tribulation is for the wrath of God, why would he subject us to that? We are constantly tested everyday now, there would be no need for his faithful to go through such things as the tribulation.
MrRooster1133 3 months ago
@yesushiai 1 Thessalonians 5:9, "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ"
MrRooster1133 3 months ago
@MrRooster1133 Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that "ye may be tried"; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to "overcome them": and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
I don't like these verses but they are in the Bible and many more.
yesushiai 3 months ago
@MrRooster1133 1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
yesushiai 3 months ago
@MrRooster1133 The tribulation is not to judge our sins but to test and try our faith. Through out scripture God uses trials and tribulations to test and perfect our faith. Even the apostles were persecuted and went through trials. All the apostles were martyred, Stephen were stoned to death. Their sins were already forgiven and I'm sure they were more spiritual than us yet they had to be tried. Why couldn't God just spare them? God always uses trials to perfect our faith and character.
yesushiai 3 months ago