BBC: An Unholy Row - New Kadampa Tradition & Dorje Shugden - Documentary 1998 - Part 1

http://www.info-buddhism.com/dorje_shugden_controversy_von_Brueck.html
A BBC Documentary about the New Kadampa Tradition / NKT and Dorje Shugden controversy. With Interviews of the 14th Dalai Lama, Stephen Batchelor and NKT ex-members

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• New Kadampa Tradition
• NKT
• Geshe Kelsang Gyatso
• Dorje Shugden
• Dalai Lama
• BBC
• AN Unholy Row
• Stephen Batchelor
• Avyworth Rolinson

[smoothgoomer]

Batchelor didn't really summarize the issue at all. He said nothing of the antagonistic sectarianism of some practitioners in the other schools, Nyingma particularly, against the practice of Shugden. Also, by suggesting that practitioners of Shugden have a more traditional view than those of other schools etc., is downright silly. All schools of Buddhism have their conservatives and liberals, and those who practice Shugden are no different.

[Bobotheluna]

@smoothgoomer

Its not secterianism to speak against Dorje Shugden (Dholgyal). 90% of all Tibetan Buddhists and masters agree that Dholgyal is a demonic force and it is their duty to speak out against it as it is against the intention of the Buddha in the core. Dholgyal worship is not buddhist, but a dangerous degeneration and against the very idea behind buddhist refuge. Dholgyal is a narrow minded and misleaded egoic energy that manifests in a karmically very severe sectarian view and action

[sysdroid]

The 14th Dalai Lama is a politician. End of history.

[Varavaken]

@marcelo8115bis

It was a good decision.

Learn more and you may understand.

[Varavaken]

@sysdroid

DS followers want to undermine the Dalai Lama.

DS actvists work for the CCP.

You can´t get more political than that.

[marcelo8115bis]

@Varavaken que es bueno? que los budistas esten separados? Pareces cristiano Piensa por ti mismo

[marcelo8115bis]

@Bobotheluna de donde sacas tus estadisticas? 90 % de budistas tibetanos y maestros? Dorje Shugden fue benefactor por 400 años y magicamente, de un dia para otro es demoniaco? Buda nos enseño a pensar por si mismo y no a seguir la moda de dirigentes. Eres hueco Debes pensar mas por ti mismo

[marcelo8115bis]

@lamrimeater me parece que no has entendido las enseñanzas de Buda a traves de la vision kadam Nunca se adora a dioses Fuiste cristiano?, porque parece que confundes

[Incursus1]

@lamrimeater - I agree with you about following the wisdom given in the Kalama Sutra. One should not take what either HHDL or GKG as truth without considering for yourself what right and good. In this we entirely agree. Where we disagree is what, after due consideration, we feel to be good. We each have our own practises, I do not say that you are wrong to follow HHDL if that is what you feel is right for you. DS is right for me. I respect your right to choose, and only ask for the same right.

[artinmey]

@HerbertLudwig

Exactly. His reasoning is that Shugden is a malevolent entity.

If they want to continue to worship this spirit they can respect Tibet's religious leader and worship somewhere else

[lamrimeater]

@sysdroid So is Geshe La. its all about perspective

[lamrimeater]

Like Buddha said himself. Beleive nothing unless it goes to your common logic. not matter who said it, where it was written, law, or what considered doctorine. If it doesnt agree with your logic, you must abandon it. I was attracted to Buddhism through Geshe La... but since my experience, i have changed path to the true, middle way of Buddhism. NKT doesnt mesh with my common Logic.. therefore it has been abandoned... WE should never worship a deity or anything, its spiritual materialism.