Response to Monica Dennington's "Bad Fruits from a Bad Root" pt. 1

My response to Monica Dennington's 3rd installment on her Calvinism series.

In her video she attempted to cover the history of the Reformation.

I don't deal too much with what she said as there are many historical works available regarding the history of the Reformation. I really want to deal with the Michael Servetus issue as that seems to be the most pressing concern and criticism about Calvinism. This video is just deals with a few things that led to her statements about Servetus and Calvin and I will get to the Servetus issue on part 2 of my response.

God bless,

Moses

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[SAYYOURROSARY]

When are we gonna debate because you just keep avoiding the subject .

The Catholic Church (and Catholics like Peter and Paul ) wrote the New Testament

and decided what parts of the old would be included . ALL this was done 1000 years before any PROTESTERS like yourself . let's debate ! Tonight !

[prchdaword]

@SAYYOURROSARY LOL this is so funny.....again, the first dogmatic pronouncement of the canon for the Roman Catholic Church according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia was not until April 8, 1546 and not before. Many roman Catholics suppose it was at Hippo and Carthage in 393 and 397 AD respectively, but there canonical list differs from the one currently used today as defined by Trent (one of the Esdras is not contained int he modern Roman canon). Fact.

[prchdaword]

@SAYYOURROSARY so either the Carthage and Hippo canons are correct and Rome today is not following that canon OR the Council of Trent was correct and Carthage and Hippo were not correct. You can't have both. Either one you pick will not let you hold your argument.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

Paul said this because there were heretics everywhere . He said to copy him and be Catholic . There was no Bible St Paul was writing it . No Bible or even reading

are necessary to attain heavean . To believe that nobody had it right till Calivin is really just sad . It's a tough position to try and defend .

[prchdaword]

@SAYYOURROSARY ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm......nobody is saying that =/ ???

[prchdaword]

@SAYYOURROSARY i'm sorry, i must have missed that verse, can you tell me what verse it is that Paul said "be Catholic"?

[BondiHarry]

The answer is in the Bible prchdword. There is so much in the Bible that refutes TULIP yet there are many who readily embrace conjecture and will readily deny clear scripture when it conflicts with their preferred doctrine.. That is not the way to go and if can lead to ruin when men prefer to study the wisdom of men over the wisdom of God. Monica is quite right to admonish that we go to the source (the Bible) than go to the writings of a fallible man.

[carpentersdaughter2]

Now you have just lied, because I have listened to what she said, and she says no one should hate a calvinist, and she sure didn't say Jesus hates Calvinist. She said the Lord doesn't like division, or men esteeeming other men in such a way that they affiliate themselves with that man.

I like listening to John MacArthur too, but I would never call my self a follower of John MacArthur....I am a believer in Jesus Christ alone, and that is what she is trying to say, and this is what I say too.

[prchdaword]

@SAYYOURROSARY but Romes first infallible proclamation of the canon wasn't until April 8, 1546 according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia....why so late a pronouncement? The funny thing is that in history, there are early Fathers who didn't hold the canon that Rome now holds such as Athanasius and Jerome to name a few. Even Cardinal Cajetan of the 16th century rejected the deuterocanonicals until they were pronounced as canonical. Verdict?

[BondiHarry]

(continued) One of the best observations on the difference between being a true Christian and a religious fanatic came from a Kingdom of Heaven character: "I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness." So sorry, we have nothing to debate.

[BondiHarry]

@SAYYOURROSARY Debate what? It wouldn't matter at all if the entire New Tesatament was written by Roman Cahtolics (it wasn't), if Peter was the rock upon which the church of Christ was built (he wasn't ... Jesus was) and if you could show a clear line of succession from Peter to the latest Pope IF YOU DON'T OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD found within the Bible. In private communication with me you've already shown you deny the well documented murder and brutality perpertrated by the RCC.

[BondiHarry]

@SAYYOURROSARY Hmmm, yet Jesus said "ye shall KNOW the truth and the truth will set you free". We are told to study to show ourselves approved and to examine ourselves to see that we are in the faith because it is easy to believe we know the truth and are saved yet be woefully ignorant and as lost as any pagan. One of Satan's most diabolical tricks is convincing lost men they are saved and the only way to prevent this is to be in the Bible comparing what we are told with what it says.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

@BondiHarry Ohh it ( New) wasn't written by Catholics ? Let's debate that ! I want a onscreen debate !

I'm curious then how you KNOW these men were inspired ? HOW do YOU know the Baaabal you have IS the word of God ? I say you don't know for certain .