Health Care Hoops

A look at the match up between health care providers and the public option.

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[hadenufnow]

Kill the 3000 pg mandate HC Trojan Horse Bill nobody wants..

Kill this bill..

Vote em out...

Nobody wants it,,

[ChaoticSouls]

Yeah pretty sure you are overstepping what I said. If anything Europeans have shown us as their education is considered better than ours and they do things such as school vouchers and have more private schools that it proves to be more efficient.

[krsplsh]

@dglass81 through... private companies! for instance bayer found aspirin (to take a look at one I was thinking about)!

[krsplsh]

@dglass81 1st off we are NOT a democracy, we were never meant to be a democracy, and democracies are not GOOD (just like a lynch mob is a democracy, but is not good)! we are a republic that is governed by rules and laws.

I am not saying you are correct by allowing the government to force everyone to buy insurance though. the govt should NEVER force anyone to buy anything! that is what a free society's choice should be.

[dglass81]

@dawoool For sure man! There are many times when it does. But that must be critically examined and other influences sought. That book Freakonomics is a good example of alternate explanations for why certain trends occur, and The Tipping Point.

I always thought lower taxes = more prosperous economy. Well, if that's the case, then why isn't Germany in a deep recession or have high unemployment right now?

Thats why I've come to realize that simple explanations often never solve complex issues.

[dawoool]

@dglass81 Does with emphysema and smoking.

[dglass81]

@dawoool Not a hard concept. Correlation does not necessarily mean cause and effect.

For example: just because all serial killers mutilated animals as small children, doesn't mean that all small children who mutilated animals turn out to be serial killers.

[dglass81]

@dawoool For example, someone goes to the hospital and receives care and doesn't pay, and doesn't have insurance. Who flips the bill? The owner of the hospital (could be a health insurance company or someone else) they forward those unexpected costs onto the people who are PAYING through rate +'s. Thus, if people are required to obtain even minimal amounts of insurance, which the bill requires, then the insurance pool has a greater ability to handle these unexpected costs by the uninsured.

[dglass81]

@dawoool You should be taking your self-interest into account more. As more people pay into your pool, it increases it's ability to pay out more and cover expenses, so the vast majority of premiums lower as a result. The main reason the private health care system isn't working is that it's not mandatory. This health care law requires people to obtain it, which helps payers like yourself. YOU'RE SUBSIDIZING under/uninsured through your premiums already. This just makes the healthy contribute.

[dglass81]

@dawoool You assume that undisciplined irresponsible behavior is the prime reason for medical expense increases. That's not based on anything other than you're own assumptions. BTW, you already ARE paying for them. When they don't pay their premiums, guess who's goes up in a private health insurance system? Yours. Not the taxpayers, your own premiums so they can cover the cost of the under/non-insured.

[dawoool]

@dglass81 Correlation is not cause and effect? By that logic you must believe that it's just a coincidence that 98% of people with emphysema are smokers.

[dawoool]

@dglass81 I had knee surgery when young and fit. My private insurance paid for most of it. The out-of-pocket expenses were considerable, but I paid them. And it was worth it; my knee hasn't bothered me since. But you didn't even attempt to answer my question, so I will rephrase it: Why should people who take care of themselves be forced at gunpoint to subsidize medical expenses that people who don't take care of themselves KNOWINGLY generate by their undisciplined, irresponsible behavior?