Praying For Me Is Moronic - The Atheist Experience 381

The jury has been out for a long time...Prayer does not work. Jeff Dee reads a response from a friend of his to a theist praying for her. Ashley Perrien and Jeff Dee host this clip from The Atheist Experience #381 - http://www.atheist-experience.com

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[Therealmiracleworker]

When in hospital recently (just appendix nothing serious) thankfully

my sister in law told me (by message in get well card) her family were praying for me. Could not help but help quote dan dennett "thanks, did you also sacrifice a goat?"

would like to thank the dr's, nurses, ward staff and surgeons who helped me out though, nice job guys, thanks

[gspendlove]

I'm spreading the word: If anyone out there still has an old copy of "Deities & Demigods," dig it out and look at the illustration credits. You'll find the name "Jeff Dee." That's this same Jeff Dee.

[elibeth121]

@YY4Me133 The Bible never contradicts itself for it is the word of God. There are several passages which people have grabbed at and accused of being contradictions. Only because they do not know the bible or how to interpret it. God cannot lie or, and s Word cannot be filled with contradictions. And the Bible is the Word of God.God cannot author error. Why not? Because God is not a liar:

[YY4Me133]

@elibeth121 I didn't ask what your church teaches, I asked for biblical references. The passages I listed say nothing about prayers having to agree with "the will of God." They say ask and you will get it. I'm still waiting for a biblical reference that refutes the ones I listed.

[elibeth121]

@YY4Me133 The church teaches that when you pray, you pray according to God will. You ask through, for whatever is asked in faith, agreeable to the will of God, which is contained in his covenant, word, and promises, and makes for his glory, and the good of his people, shall be given, 21:21,22 If ye have faith. Even the bible says you must have faith,James 4:3 teaches us to be sure to ask for the right intentions.

James 4:3 teaches us to be sure to ask for the right intentions;

[YY4Me133]

@elibeth121 I provided biblical references that say you'll get whatever you ask for if you pray. Not you might get it, you will get it. Not you'll get it if it's "god's will," you will get whatever you ask for. You said I'm wrong, which implies that those passages are wrong, so I asked you for a biblical reference that contradicts the ones I listed. It shouldn't be hard to find at least one. The christian bible is full of contradictions.

[elibeth121]

Not sure what you mean.

[elibeth121]

@YY4Me133 There is evidence of God everywhere,To know the invisible God is a great challenge for the human mind. Many are scared off by it. Another reason why some do want to know God is because they would have to change their life. Anyone, who says that the question of God is meaningless because it cannot be answered it making things too easy for himself. It happens that people in such matter persuade themselves that what they would like to be true is false or at least doubted.

[elibeth121]

@elibeth121 understand the Gospel better. Their authenticity is tested by the Church.God is truth. No it does not make me feel good to just to believe there is a God. I have faith there is a God because time and time again he has spoken to me. My attachment is not on theism. but on my love for Christ. God subjects himelf to a special sort of proof. We know God is truth on the basis of the absolute credibility of Jesus. He is "the way, the truth and the life"

[elibeth121]

@elibeth121 he has poured out his heart to us and made his inmost being visible to us.God has revealed himself to me, that is all the evidence I need. To make it comprehensible to us, the Holy Spirit leads us ever deeper into the truth. God's light breaks so forecefully into the lives of many individuals that they " see the heavens opened" The private revelations of visionaries cannot improve on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No one is obliged to believe in them, but they can help us

[elibeth121]

@YY4Me133 God did not have to reveal himself to us. But he did it out of love. Just as in human love once can know something about that person but only if they open their heart to us, so too we know something about God's inmost thoughts only because the eternal and mysterious God has opened himself to us out of love. From creation on, through the patriarchs down to the definitive Revelation in his Son Jesus Christ.God has spoken again and again to mankind. In him,

[YY4Me133]

@elibeth121 If nothing can convince you Jesus and/or your god aren't real, you don't care if what you believe is true, as long as it makes you feel good. I couldn't care less if there's no god, one god, or billions of gods, I just require evidence before I'll believe. I have no emotional attachment to my atheism, but you seem to have a very emotional attachment to your theism. You're so intellectually stunted that you don't see that belief with no evidence is self-imposed ignorance.