The Eucharist
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@WorkingCatholic I commend you for your arguments. A Protestant should be protestant for the right reason; if there exists any. If he understands that the Catholic Church is true but believes that the grace of Christianity still spreads out to other denominations, who are we to say that God does not grant them that grace? But if he/she is Protestant because he thinks the Catholic Church is wrong, then he is truly separating himself from truth.
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@johnthreesixteen316 Part 7
Another problem with Sola Scriptura is that there can only be one truth, yet it allows for individual interpretation--hence thousands of denominations each with their own "truth."
Also, if you reject the authority of the Catholic Church that established the canon of the Bible, how do you know that the books included are inspired? You can't get infallible Protestant Bible juice out of a fallible Catholic orange. The effect cannot be greater than the cause.
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@johnthreesixteen316 Part 6
Most Protestants also accept the "new", made up, and non-biblical concepts of Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura. Again, you will not find even one Christian teaching either of this notions prior to Luther. He made them up. Sola Scriptura is self-contradictory, because if you listen only to what the Bible says, you wouldn't listen to what the Bible says since the Bible itself stresses the importance of the Church and sacred tradition.
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@johnthreesixteen316 Part 5
Members of the fallen away Christian churches have adopted beliefs made up by men in the past 500 years. If you'd like proof of this, try to find any Christian prior to Luther who was not taught the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Or try to find any Christian prior to Luther who thought that "born again" meant anything other than baptism. You can't, because they don't exist. These are examples of "new" beliefs made up by men.
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@johnthreesixteen316 Part 4
By accepting only the written word of God and ignoring the Church Christ established as an authority, and by ignoring the traditions that Paul says are so important, Protestants are left with just a slice of God's truth. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that they then have no authority to interpret Scripture and are free to make their own interpretations. This has led to thousands of differing opinions or denominations. This was certainly not Christ's plan.
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@johnthreesixteen316 Part 3 "Christians only use scripture."
If by "Christians" you are speaking only of the fallen away, non-Catholic Christians, this is true. When Luther rejected sacred tradition and the magisterium, the only thing left was the Bible. He then built his religion around misinterpretations of a Catholic Book. He also replaced the Septuagint OT that Jesus and the NT writers used with the OT used by later Jews who had rejected Christ and persecuted Christianity.
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@johnthreesixteen316 Part 2
You are correct in saying that "scripture is probably used the least of the three" in determining early Christian or Catholic doctrine, but it is not for the reason you might be implying. The Catholic Church is older than the Bible, and our beliefs are older than the Bible. Certainly the doctrine could not have been based on a Book that the Catholic Church had not yet given to the world. However, there is no conflict between Catholic doctrine and the Bible.
According to Karl Keating ("Catholicism and Fundamentalism", 1988 Ignatius Press) the Catholic Church moved the Christian Sabbath to Sunday to honour the Resurrection. Keating goes on to say that there is no mention of readings, hymns or preaching in the New Testament, but these things occur in a fundmentalist Protestant service. Sola Scriptura is a double-edged sword -- We Catholics have nothing to prove. It is the fundamentalists that have strayed, not Rome. Thanks for posting this. Tip top.
ibindermann 3 years ago 5
@johnthreesixteen316 Part 8
Many Protestants will speak of the importance of having a "personal relationship with Jesus." They have no idea what they are missing. To receive Christ into your body through the Eucharist is a miracle, and it just doesn't get any more personal than that.
As former-Protestant-minister-turned-Catholic Scott Hahn says, "They've got the menu, but we've got the meal."
Please come home to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Bride of Christ.
Amen.
WorkingCatholic 1 year ago