Climate Denial Crock of the Week - The Temp leads Carbon Crock

Find out what a straw man argument is, and how the most spectacular cherry pick in the history of scientific argument is just part of a day's work for the professional deniers.

read the primary studies mentioned here:
"The Ice core record: Climate sensitivity and future greenhouse warming"
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2006Q...
"Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and
Antarctic Temperature Changes
Across Termination III"
http://icebubbles.ucsd.edu/Publicatio...

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  Science & Technology

[archaeopteryxgr]

It is obvious in the example of your presentation that temperature leads CO2. You are asking for a leap of faith that the second order CO2 effect may be a more important feedback loop than the driving force itself. There are clearly more than one non anthropogenic factors driving this and more feedback loops, than just CO2. That σT^4 is a pretty mighty one, in spite of any greenhouse blanket effect which I believe has not been detected by satellites to any degree predicted by models.

[greenman3610]

You are incorrect. the "blanket" effect has indeed been detected by satellites. there is a clear imbalance between energy in/energy out, and in exactly the expected wavelengths ie greenhouse gases.

watch?v=w9SGw75pVas

[archaeopteryxgr]

yes, but much less significant than any of the horror stories. And I have to ask myself what is the major factor and what is the minor factor (a standard question in old college entrance exams). I suspect that the CO2 effect (or its anthropogenic component) is probably minor within the rest of the system's dynamics (I have seen this study that suggested that is lost in the noise or error of energy balances) Interesting to study, but I think, not warranting major or minor policy decisions.

[greenman3610]

as a matter of fact, the energy imbalance as calculated by NASA Chief Atmospheric Scientist james Hansen is equal to 400,000 hiroshima bombs per day. Not insignificant.

[greenman3610]

in fact, it would be a leap of faith to assume that some as yet unknown force is causing the current warming, responsible for the change between glacial and interglacial periods, and is congruent with the changes we have seen over the last 4 billion years.

[fatarsemonkey]

Um george bush senior said NWO not me. The club of rome is real. the CFR is real. The bilderberg group is real. Are you denying these groups are not real? Are you denying Condalisa Rice said we are going to bring (hegel and kant) democracy to world? "I'm not too bad with history" You either live with your head up your arse or are just a complete !@#$%^&* idiot who has no idea about the game of poitics and living the dream the media wants you to have.

[baserocklove]

So you're not going to answer either of my questions, you're just going to respond with more vague tinfoil hat stupidity and shit about "history". I'm not too bad with history as a matter a fact. Interesting how all the people that study history for a living haven't picked up on your shadow gov't NWO nonsense, gee, i wonder why.

I can't say i'm surprised lol.

[fatarsemonkey]

You don't even get what I originaly said, If you think the aholes that sit at the top give two hoots about pollution then you deserve to be fooled. They will milk this for every cent they can get and set up the rule so they are the ones with the new tech. We are on the verge of being self powerd homes and those who stand to lose the most are setting themselves up with new taxes and the like. They don't want the cattle getting out of the pen.

[fatarsemonkey]

You deserve to be insulted, you don't know your history, you don't understand why there is a great baals shaft in DC so why should I treat you like a learned one. Zeitgeist is a pile of shit with bit of corn in it. (corn = truth)

[baserocklove]

Lol, all these childish rants and insults. You still haven't told me who is running the world in secret or how you know this XD Do tell, I would love to know!

I"m gonna go out on a limb here and guess you're a fan of Zeitgeist.

[fatarsemonkey]

Do you even know what city states are? International symbol of peace! where have you been for the past few thousand years? Living in a dream by the sound of it, You are the one with brainwashed mind, you are the type that drives the train s to the death camps with the guys who have the swashsticker on their standard, but its ok they have the international symbol of peace around it, HISTORY DICK HEAD!!! SPQR with the international symbol of peace around it OMG you are such a DICK HEAD!!

[baserocklove]

XD Was that video supposed to be some evidence or something or are you videos so fucking stupid that's the only way you can get hits? That's not caesers wreath it's fricking olive branches, ya know, the international symbol of peace?

Seriously man, loosen the tinfoil hat, it's cutting off blood supply to your brain XD

[fatarsemonkey]

Whats this I hear about pack ice growing? Oh that is from climate change. I had no idea that the climate changes, I thought we live in a world that was in perpetual stability, I had no idea that all the other planets and the sun and other solar systems had an effect on this world. I thought we were living in a glass bubble like that vatican said years ago.

[fatarsemonkey]

You just don't read history do you? You have no real idea who runs this world. Why do you think the caesars wreath is around the UN globe? You're an IDIOT!

/watch?v=7GrrcLVQF4k

[baserocklove]

Tinfoil hat dipshittery.

Get a fucking life.