Ahmadi Muslims Debate Sharia Law with One Law for All (Maryam Namazie) at UCL

On Thursday the 8th of December 2011, University College London Union Atheist Secularist and Humanist Society (UCLU ASHS) hosted a debate, the motion of which was "Sharia Law Negates Human Rights". The two proponents of the motion (namely, Maryam Namazie and Annemarie Waters) were provided by UCLU ASHS from a campaign called "One Law for All"- a campaign to eradicate Sharia in all its forms and guises both in the United Kingdom and elsewhere abroad. The speakers against the motion were provided by the University College London Union Ahmadiyya Muslim Students Association (UCLU AMSA) and were the respected Khuddam members, Ayyaz Mahmood Khan and Jonathan Butterworth. Also present at the debate was Fahim Anwar, head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AMYA UK), Dr. Aziz Ahmad Hafiz, deputy head of the AMYA UK, and Dr. Tauseef Khan, head of the AMYA Student Affairs Department UK. The entire proceedings were captured by Muslim Television Ahmadiyya (MTA), the official channel of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (Sky: 787).

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[mechatak]

Great debate. I was there. Islam was defended with courage, vigour, calm and truth. 

[AhmadiMuslimForLife]

The two Ahmadi Muslim speakers were excellent. Their points really defended the Truth about Islam and the misconceptions that many people have. One thing that I didn't get was that why did Maryam Namazie not understand the fact that just because countries claim to be implementing the Sharia Law, it does not mean that they are practicing it properly. Culture and Religion are two very different things. But as for the two Ahmadi Muslim speakers, keep it up, it was great!

[JustHuman48]

I don't think the "Islam is spreading" argument really holds any weight when this is happening due to poor family planning or just total rejection of it in favour of "God's will". Easy for men to say "God's will". They cannot comprehend the toll that pregnancy and labour has on a woman's body. The average British Muslim household has four children whereas the rest of the population has two. Kind of explains the rapid increase in Muslim population!

[ritchloui]

Oh the irony of a person who believes in something without any evidence, ie has a subjective opinion that can neither be falsified nor verified in any way, claims an 'objective grounding' and appears to think that the secular notion of human rights based on evidence and reason is not 'objective'.

[ritchloui]

Islamic 'reform' is rather like the man who looks for his keys under a street light and, when someone goes to him to help and he too cannot find them and eventually asks 'Are you sure you dropped them here?' and the man replies, 'No, but at least I can see the ground here'

[ritchloui]

It is quite clear, having read the comments the uploader has approved, that s/he has no integrity and is terrified of the truth; Islam cannot survive the truth as the uploaded clearly knows. Further evidence that Islam is a mafiosi scam. I shall reload this video with comments enabled so that sensible comments are allowed as opposed to the comments from men who would have multiple wives, child brides, the right to beat, maim, stone and behead as per their slaving ideology.

[ritchloui]

It is a vain cry indeed if we in the 21st century are supposed to seriously try and implement the laws and practices of a 7th century man of whom we have only secondary sources in any case. Can't these people think for themselves? Do they really have to rummage around in fragmentary highly ambiguous texts by bronze age desert nomads in order to work out the meaning of justice and human rights? No wonder the Islamic world is a madhouse.

[ritchloui]

Bukhari (6:60:79) - Two people guilty of "illegal intercourse" are brought to Muhammad, who commands that they both be stoned.

Bukhari (83:37) - Adultery is one of three justifications for killing a person, according to Muhammad.

Is the denial of this evidence of lying or ignorance?

Muslim (17:4206) - A woman who became pregnant confesses to Muhammad that she is guilty of adultery. Muhammad allows her to have the child, then has her stoned (the description is graphic).

[ritchloui]

How extraordinary that there was a total denial by everyone in the room that stoning was mandated in the Hadiths. Yet not only was stoning for adultery mandated in the hadiths it was repeated MANY times. Here is one ABSOLUTELY CLEAR mandate for stoning: Ibn Ishaq (970) - "The adulterer must be stoned." These words were a part of Muhammad's farewell address to his people on the occasion of his final pilgrimage to Mecca.

[ritchloui]

Butterworth kept trying to argue that there is something called 'true Shariah'. Well, he is blowing in the wind isn't he because it is obvious that the 'false Shariah' is governing the lives of over 1 billion people. The Middle East, once capable of producing civilisations and great thinkers has not produced a great thinker or scientist of note for 1,000 years; in fact, not since the dhimmis who created the 'Golden Age' were exhausted and crushed under the Islamic jackboot.

[Shehzaadi03]

I just watched this on MTA and I'm glad I found it on youtube so I can share it with everyone! Truly inspiring debate, and gives answers to a lot of questions asked by non-Muslims to Muslims on a daily basis. Great work, keep it up!

[mechatak]

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