Morality 2: Not-so-good books

Second part of series on morality. See below for bible references included in this video.

Death for victimless 'crime'
Yahweh requires death of sabbath workers
(Numbers 15 : 32-36)
Yahweh requires death of gay people:
(Leviticus 20 : 13)
Yahweh requires death of women who can't show virginity on wedding night:
(Deuteronomy 22 : 20-21)

Unaccountable slaughter
Yahweh kills 70,000 for David's census:
(2 Samuel 24 : 1-15)
Yahweh kills almost all land animals for human wickedness:
(Genesis 6 : 5-7)

Entrapment through mind-control
Yahweh hardens Pharaoh's heart:
(Exodus 4 : 21; see also Exodus 7 : 3; 9 : 12; 10 : 1; 10 : 20; 10 : 27; 11 : 10; 14 : 4; 14 : 8)
Yahweh hardens Egyptians' hearts:
(Exodus 14 : 17)
Yahweh hardens King of Heshbon's heart:
(Deuteronomy 2 : 30)
Yahweh sends powerful delusion:
(2 Thessalonians 2 : 11)
Yahweh deceives prophets, then punishes them:
(Ezekiel 14 : 9)

Punishment for others' sins
Yahweh says children won't die for fathers:
(Deuteronomy 24 : 16)
Yahweh requires children's death for their father's sins:
(Isaiah 14 : 21-22)
Yahweh orders the killing of Amalekite children and babies:
(I Samuel 15 : 2-3)
Yahweh orders the killing children without pity:
(Ezekiel 9 : 5-6)

Familial cannibalism:
(Jeremiah 19 : 9)
(Deuteronomy 28 : 53)
(Ezekiel 5 : 10)

Yahweh permits rape:
(Zechariah 14 : 2)

Yahweh permits slavery (the owning of people as property):
(Leviticus 25 : 46)

Yahweh permits (commits) mass murder:
(Exodus 12 : 29)

Jesus reinforces OT law:
"But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
(Matthew 15 : 3-4)

Jesus punishes a fig tree:
(Mark 11 : 12-4, 20-4)
(Matthew 21 : 18-22)

Jesus asks us to dispose of family relationships
(Luke 9 : 61-62)


Making of images forbidden:
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, OR ANY LIKENESS of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
(Exodus 20 : 4)
Making of images commanded:
"And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold"
(Exodus 25 : 18)

Certain sinners to be stoned to death by all the men of the town:
(Deuteronomy 21 : 21)
Only the sinless are fit to cast the first stone:
(John 8 : 7)
We are all sinners:
(Romans 3 : 23)

Good deeds are to be shown:
(Matthew 5 : 16)
Good deeds are not to be shown:
(Matthew 6 : 1)

Gay sex deemed a sin:
(Leviticus 18 : 22)

Non-believers to be put to death:
(2 Chronicles 15 : 13)

We are to seek peace:
(Psalms 34 : 14)

We are to be good neighbours:
(Philippians 2 : 4)

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[Gibbons3457]

(Cont) If that isn't your definition of presupposition please tell me what your definition is.

Also note that absolute truth is a pointless statement. Everything humans know is known within a degree of error, we don't know everything about everything, we don't know everything about anything. There is always some degree of human error in everything we do; so it is unlikely that we can ever posses absolute truth.

[Gibbons3457]

A presupposition "is an implicit assumption about the world or background belief relating to an utterance whose truth is taken for granted in discourse." (wikipedia) But I'm not doing that. I don't take it for granted that the statement "reality is real" is true. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter whether it is true or not, reality might just be an illusion, but it acts as though it is real, so to assume anything else is adding needlessly complex and pointless details.

[Kyle Pierce]

Cont thats why we all have presupps

[Kyle Pierce]

Ur making a positive claim that what we perceive is reality. Prove it or u presuppose it. This is basic. If u cant prove it its a assumption. I see what the prob is tho. U dont want to admit to presupps either cuz u relate to the guy. Well im sorry but by definition u have pressups. How it is perceived has no bearing on truth. We werent discussing our opinions but what is reality. U even said reality. Reality is absolute truth by definition. Ur being very self defeating.

U would be unsure

Cont

[Gibbons3457]

In science nothing is ever proven 100% positive, that only happens in mathematics. In science everything is tentative, it can all be disproved but never proved (did you know gravity has never been proved?) If it isn't falsifiable then it can't be used in science, it can't qualify as a hypothesis and is reject. Besides only you claim the absolute, saying reality is real isn't doing that, it is necessary for life; saying god is essential for logic is a statement the requires supporting evidence.

[Gibbons3457]

But he isn't. All he is saying is that reality is real and that it will be the same today as it was yesterday; you are saying the same thing but also saying that without your specific definition of god it wouldn't be like that. You are adding a needlessly complicated bit on the end. (see Occam's Razor). (cont)

[Gibbons3457]

He has no presuppositions. You don't have to presuppose that reality is real because unless it is shown not to be, it certainly looks, acts and responds as though it is, so even if it weren't it might as well be. You could literally do nothing if you were unsure of whether reality was going to behave the same way today as it did yesterday. (cont)

[Kyle Pierce]

Cont

Exactly i cant its a presupposition. I agree but like i said u cant claim it doesnt exist either unless u can prove it. U can be indifferent but thats it.

[Kyle Pierce]

It matters because the man thought he had no pressuppositions, and was claiming superioity because of that. I was trying to how him that he is just as "irrational" as he claims i am. Also that having a presupposition and having a valid rational argument are not mutual exclusives. Its not common sense, thats just ur bias speaking. U cnt disprove it, if u follow the scientific method u cant claim a absolute like that without proving it. U can carry on ignoring it but u cant claim absolute falsity

[Gibbons3457]

I read the whole argument.

It cannot be disproved or proved why does it matter. If it has no effect on the reality we live in it may as well not exist. It isn't even a presupposition, it is just common sense. There could be a Walrus juggling skulls under the surface of Pluto, you can't disprove it. It doesn't matter what the claim, if it is a positive claim you MUST have positive evidence and if it is an extraordinary claim you must have extraordinary evidence. That, is how science works.