A Tale Of Two Cities (1946)

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[Ragingcarhop]

Don't want to sound like a warmonger or anything but I think that you chaps would have had very different opinions had you lived during these events. Would any of you lads have been willing to endure a prolonged invasion of the entirety of japan with all the casualties that go along with it? Im not condoning these acts but im just asking that you consider the circumstances under which they occurred instead of blindly blaming america for all the worlds problems. as an aside, I am not an american

[Nguli34689]

I lived in the 1950s and the thinking back then regarding the use of nuclear power in weaponry or for generating electricity was very much different than our understanding of the long term effects of radiation on living tissue. In 1940 this was a theoretical abstract which turned into a fact with a detonation of the first nuclear bomb five years later. Moreover, if Germany had such energy, they would have not hesitated to use it. The same for the Russians and the Japanese governments.

[MrAleosc]

As for the WWII bomb, it was initially designed to explode over Berlin. It was the necessity of showing Russia a powerful deterrent (for Churchill had also told Montgomery not to dismantle the German weapons should they be used against Moscow) that finally made the Allies decide to use against Japanese cities.

[MrAleosc]

I appreciate what you say, but it can never be used to justify a massacre of 100000, or of 100 for that matter. Every time politicans or the military excuse a massive killing in the name of the greater good, civilians should stop and think seriously about it. The US had plenty of time to reflect on that during the 50s and 60s, where certain generals -legally or else- did try to seize the power necessary to declare nuclear war.

[puncheex]

@MrAleosc: Beg to differ. Had it been genocide, and was meant as such, then the bomb would have been used until Japan had been reduced to wreckage, and most, if not all, Japanese dead. Saying it was doesn't make it so. Your contention about civilians is also wrong; the civilian casualties on Saipan showed what would have probably happened, and even if that had only happened to 1%, you'd have been far deeper in bodies than H & N. No one who thinks justifies bombs by patriotism.

[MrAleosc]

It was genocide: Killing over a 100000 men, women and children. Civilians. The Truman gov. had to show its nuclear power to the Russians, to influence events at Potsdam. The war would have ended with more soldier losses, but never with that same amount of innocent civilians murdered. Such things are never to be justified in the name of patriotism for it is only a brutal nation which behaves thus. I´m a historian and I´ve seen many of these, everyone of them with its hellish set of explanations.

[ergurney]

@Ragingcarhop - It is not only that they are young. It is not only that public education isn't what it used to be, and it was never that great to begin with. It is that most of these young men were raised without fathers. They are not connected to their own past.

[dpoland]

All things in mind...I must agree with Ragingcarhop........you had to be there......and you were not. I can only hope the world for you will never be that cruel and hopeless.

[TomKarmo]

Japan sought as early as May 1945 to make a conditional surrender. The detonations at Hiroshima and Nagasaki could therefore have been avoided.

[FmlRelationships]

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[BlueWalrus99]

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