John Piper - What can we gain from Calvin today?

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[niceguy999918]

I am not sure where I stand with Calvinsim, but I do know John Piper has a gift from God to preacht he word. When I studied history in college I was against Calvinism, and the Scarlot Letter did not help things. On one side I argue self-glory, and on the other I say obeying the God closely.

[Dejan2116]

@Wangoize

If that's what you think then you know very little about Augustine or Calvin, or early Christianity.

[SchoolofEvangelism]

Piper is so lost.

[cosmogang]

Piper's answers are way better than Doug Wilson's answers.

[Wangoize]

I am a Bible-believing Christian. I recognize Augustine and Calvin as disturbed, troubled people who have done much to bring the Christian faith into disrepute. Reformed views have created a breed of self-righteous Scripture-twisting mutants and their teachings are very often non-biblical, more like those of Joseph Smith. Don't follow Augustine, Calvin or Smith. Follow Jesus Christ. Read the Bible as it is, not as others would twist it.

[joejohnson043]

at least this video taught me that Piper's presentation style is contrived. He gives as much emphatic enthusiasm discussing a murderous theological tyrant's life as he does the apostles.

Matt 20:25 ... the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall NOT be so among you.....

[ssvr]

8 years after Servetus' killing, Calvin wrote to Marquis Paet, Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard. Mind you, this is 8 full years after the event. And this is what the Pipers of this age celebrate.

[ssvr]

Here is Calvin speaking: Servetus has just sent me a long volume of his ravings. If I consent he will come here, but I will not give my word for if he comes here, if my authority is worth anything, I will never permit him to depart alive ("Si venerit, modo valeat mea autoritas, vivum exire nunquam patiar").

You quote 1 John. Why don't you quote 1 John 3:15? "Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him."

[ssvr]

In addition, what is in question here is not whether you or I are sinners, the question is was Calvin a false teacher. The evidence overwhelming points in that direction, as per his fruit. Matt 7: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? ... every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

[ssvr]

@One1With1Him

Show me the evidence that he repented.