The Christmas Story disproves Calvinism

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[edwardpf123]

@MrSlippin22 -That passage is referring to the fact that Jews rejected their Messiah and thus salvaton was going to the Gentiles.

Chapters 9-11 in Romans is parenthetical and refers to the history and future of Israel.

So it is you who really doesn't get it. Get rid of your Calvinistic theology books and read the Bible.

[MrSlippin22]

you really dont get it? Romans 10:20 And Isaiah boldly says, "I was found by those who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me."

[edwardpf123]

@MrSlippin22 -for by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH-believe is what man has to do-accept the free gift. If you didn't choose to believe you aren't saved.

[MrSlippin22]

you have an awful lot of pride in human decision which is obviously a lie John 1:13 They are reborn--not with a physical birth resulting from human ( decision) passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.

[MrSlippin22]

John 6:44 "For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.

John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away

John 17: 9 (Jesus) I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

[edwardpf123]

@MrSlippin22 -People don't go to hell because God didn't elect them, they go because they reject God.

You have very selective proof texting,

John 6 is speaking to Jews who saw the miracles yet still rejected their Messiah.

'I am come in my Father's name, and YE RECEIVE ME NOT (Jn.5:43)

But if ye believe not his writings how shall ye believe my words' (Jn.5:47)

It was rejection of what was written that led to the Jews rejecting Christ, not unconditional election. Calvinism is a lie

[MrSlippin22]

are you calling Jesus a failure?

John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

why do most people go to hell then?

[edwardpf123]

@MrSlippin22 -You are begging the question.. God doesn't use irresistable grace for anyone. Grace makes all men savable.

[MrSlippin22]

irresistable grace is for Gods elect If he had that for every human being and more people went to hell ( the narrow gate) that would make God a a failure and we know he is not.