Abdullah al Andalusi vs President of American Atheists, Dr Ed Buckner - is Secularism Rational?

Debate Title: Is Secularism A Rational Choice For Humanity?

Speakers:
Dr Ed Buckner
Abdullah al Andalusi

Date: 20 July 2010

Venue: The Conway Hall, London

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• Atheism
• atheist
• Islam
• Quran
• politics
• Is
• secularism
• rational
• choice
• for
• humanity
• dr
• ed
• buckner
• abdullah
• al
• andalusi
• MDI
• terrorism
• america
• president

[khalilrabee]

@apostatesspeak dont dream...muslims are the fathers of debates, they debated people of every faith 1250 years before europeans, americans were allowed to open their mouths...

mayan and egyptian civilization disapeared along with their culture but islam still exists, 1.5 billion muslims exist and adopt islam...

secular states (all states) force their views over us, they force us to submit to secular laws so thats not really freedom since we dont want secular values (no values)...

[WulfrunaSufi]

Dr Buckner presented the case of secularism brilliantly, and didn't dwell on Atheism, even though he is a declared Atheist. I wasn't so impressed by Abdullah's presentation though.... While he criticises secularism (i.e. separation of religious leadership and government), what exactly is he proposing as an alternative? Dr Buckner's approach is far more realistic and practical.

[khalilrabee]

@spanptotacs well guess what. u dopnt have to feel sad for me, u can mind ur own problems since u dont even know me.

im happy enough for myself and ur sadness/happiness wont benefit nor will it harm me.

u have ur way i have mine. im glad u have understanding in abundance. so much understanding that ur body doesnt have enough room for it anymore so its coming out from ur nostrils. bye bye

[spanptotacs]

@khalilrabee lack of understanding usually makes me angry but yours makes me feel sad for you

[wachnathan]

Religions have one goal to convert the world there will never be separation they will always try to dictate.

[Klazyo]

mashaalah for al Andalusi and dr Ed Buckner is realy a good man i realy want him to convert to islam if he learn about it i am sur he will convert i don't want to see him disapointed in the day of gdgment

[strangetranceoffaith]

Keep posting this stuff its hilarious. I felt a bit sorry for Abdulla it must have taken a hell of a lot of training and he still needed a list of books he's pretended to read.

[strangetranceoffaith]

This guy sounds really reasonable but a few years ago he was spouting semi scientific nonsense in his videos. He hasn't read many if not all of the books he is quoting but Adnan may well have. A lie is being told here.

[robin4good]

You first have to become Muslim! Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth, and these reverts know the rules and regulations of it perfectly. Islam is also the state, and treason in any state even in US is punishable by death. No one is killed for choosing a religion by choice, but anyone who goes on to fight the state or conspire against it, well that person is guilty of 'Treason' - do not equate Christianity and Islam - Judaism also has similar rules to that of Islam, see old-testament!

[robin4good]

@apostatesspeak - Islam in Spain, Turkey, Morocco, Egypt, Baghdad, Demasque is what has shown you this multi-culturalism, debate, progress, critique, discussion, of which the dark-ages church suppressed and as a result your thinkers like Martin luther protested against and developed the 'separation of church and state' NOT Islam and state!' - do not think big where you're only a speck! at least read the Quran and compare with anyother book - you'd see something amazing!

[TurboDally]

We've seen how Christian theocracies treated Muslims and Jews as second class citizens & I've seen how my own relatives have been treated in Islamic theocracies. I'm also concerned about the fact that laws requiring the death of those who leave Islam still exist in 2011. For those arguing for theocracy- see how Muslims & Christians lke vedhic law, etc. There are extremes on the other end- anti-religious laws, but as far as I'm concerned, govt should be neutral regarding matters of religion.