Are the Bread and Wine merely symbols?

Pastor Lassman's Lesson 11 - The Lord's Supper
http://www.messiahseattle.org/education/aic/videos/lesson_11/
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[pastormarkm]

The greek word for is "eimi" has a range of meaning of "be, be identical, exist, happen, be in a place, belong, represent" This according to both Louw-Nida and DBL Greek Lexicons of the Biblical Greek. So to go on and on about the meaning of the English word is, as the speaker does is a waste of time. Jesus has not yet been poured out physically, so he is misleading the hearer to say that his position is to interpret the plain meaning of the verse.

[nschaub]

@pastormarkm The Greek word Eimi.........never means represents.

[pwoodfi]

Jesus states plainly, "This is My Body" ,you either trust in what Jesus said, or your own interpretations and ideas.

[nschaub]

Well said...Pastor Lassman

[johnthreesixteen316]

The cup of Revelation 17......'having a golden cup in her hand filled with abominations and filthiness....."

[nschaub]

I hope you are not applying this to the cup that Jesus refers to in His supper.

[5PintLutheran]

If Jesus intended those words to be taken literally, and I have taken them figuratively, what will be my answer? All I could say would be, "I trusted my reason more than your words." I would rather be rebuked for taking Jesus at His word, than for not doing so. God bless you Pr. Lassman.

[5PintLutheran]

Pr. Todd Wilken, bless him, wrote...Jesus says, "This is my body... This is my blood." Now, on Judgment Day, if I am wrong in taking those words literally, and Jesus rebukes me, "Why did you misunderstand my Supper?" I will be able to answer, "Lord, I was simply taking you at your Word."

[pastormarkm]

@nschaub Ok so I cite Louw-Nida and Data base of Biblical Languages Greek Lexicon as evidence to support me, so what evidence can you give to support your argument?

[pastormarkm]

Further evidence against this false interpretation of this verse... John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! So if we don't see that he is talking about a spiritual reality and not a physical reality, we would be led, by the "simple reading" to believe that Jesus was an animal.

[pastormarkm]

@nschaub Ok, so I site Louw-Nida and Data Base of Biblical Languages Geek Lexicons as my source, what is your source for the meaning of "eimi" ?

[pastormarkm]

The words are simple and clear, but Jesus body had not yet been sacrificed! If you look at the simple words in context it is clearly is not his physical body.

[bornagainsaint1]

@pwoodfi. Yes He states clearly and plainly bcuz He wants us to understand that His body will be broken and His blood will be poured out(crucified and died for the sins of the world). Take His word for that. We must trust in His saving blood sacrifice. But He resurrected as prove that His blood sacrifice was acceptable to his Father.

[bornagainsaint1]

Jesus' supper was a fortelling of His crucifixion and death, bcuz He said His blood would be poured out for the remission of all sin. When we eat His supper without believing that His blood sacrifice saves us then we are eating unworthily. He took the punishment for sin which we are truly deserving of. We must focus on His blood sacrifice when eating His supper. His supper was never meant to be offered as an unbloody sacrifice. There must be a death, this does not occur in the mass.

[catchzz]

@JDNWF66 And truth can only exist in the proper authority of His church handed down to Peter and passed through the ages through the laying of hands where it is protected and guided by the Holy Spirit of which the gates of Hell would never overcome. God bless the Catholic Church.