John Rawls Shares Some Thoughts

Basic thoughts on Rawls's procedure.

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[TyphorT38]

Rawls was a great man

[WoozeWindhammer]

The video is great for someone who knows at least the basics of Rawls Theory of Justice.. I somehow doubt that children watching this will understand much.

Nevertheless a good video.

[shawnlocke]

fake and gay

[blackeyes1987]

You just Broke the 2 hour lecture into two minutes video....awesome...

[1Coursier]

@tubo222555

'...is to remove biases caused by social status.' Indeed, which is just one type of bias one can bring. These people are far from ignorant, in fact they posses more information than most people because they take all social theories and social facts into consideration. I'm not making any claim about him being correct, but just that he should be understood properly. You ignore your probability of ending in a social class, this itself helps destroy the influence of his own status.

[tubo222555]

@1Coursier

The purpose of the veil of ignorance is to remove biases caused by social status. You are ignorant of your wealth, you could be rich or poor, and so you will develop ideas based on this ignorance. My point was that in trying to determine what such ignorant people would think, Rawls own social status (among other factors specifically mentioned by Rawls) would cloud his own reasoning. Rawl creates the conditions under the veil. The resulting theory of justice is predicated on Rawls bias

[1Coursier]

@tubo222555

Rawls never claims that there are no biases and openly admits certain presupposed conceptions behind the Veil of Ignorance. I'm not claiming he is right or wrong, just making clear what he wrote. Not only have I read Rawls but I'm currently taking an in depth course of both him and Raz.

[tubo222555]

@1Coursier

If they were aware of social theories and facts such as the scarcity of resources, they would not reach the outcome Rawls came to. Scarcity of goods is never mentioned at all; I have read Rawls. The big problem is that is that Rawls creates this Veil of Ignorance with no biases, but he can never himself be under it. His conclusions are based on his own biases. He is not ignorant of all of the things under the veil, so he cannot possibly know what such ignorant people would think.

[1Coursier]

To be clear, it's not 'Liberty' that Rawls is concerned with but a list of 'liberties'. The core of his philosophy are the primary goods, these are 'liberties' and (probably more to the core) self-respect.

[1Coursier]

@tubo222555

Everyone behind the Veil is aware of social theories and facts (which includes economic theories and facts). This means that scarcity of goods is considered. Besides it's clearly discussed in the book.

[tubo222555]

@Tri1umph

Scarcity of goods has everything to do with equality, as does scarcity of means. Basic essential are scarce themselves, as are the means to produce them. Something like a pencil requires thousands of workers at many stages of production, such as lumber, shipment of the lumber, creation of the pencil machines, programming of them, the mining of the metal used in the machines, the workers, etc. Free markets reward those who benefit us by producing what we want most effectively.

[Tri1umph]

@tubo222555 Scarcity of goods has little to do with wanting equality, Rawls's argument for equality is having the basic essentials. Of course this is not hyper-equality in which for every dollar you get, I get. Rawls allows for unequal distribution (within a limit) for those who do innovate for the benefit of Mankind, like Steve Jobs's unequal distribution would be justified, but again to a limit, if everyone is starving but Steve that is unjust, he is not worth that much to society.