More Chomsky On Democracy

Noam Chomsky speaking about democracy, excerpted from a Bill Moyer's interview in 1988.

The opening includes:
Folk singer Bob Bossin, from the extras of the Canadian 2-disc DVD of Manufacturing Consent
by Mark Achbar and Peter Wintonick

http://www.necessaryillusions.ca/catalogue/manufacturingconsent.html




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[TinyArts]

My next CV will include right next after my university studies the following: 2 years constant watching of Noam Chomsky clips on youtube.

[JimmyeDallas]

Catalonia, Spain 1936-1939

[khoroshoorange]

@TinyArts

im already on it.

[huxley2221]

@huxley2221 Chomsky's pseudo-moral posturing about Anarchsm is what most sickens people, even those who agree with much of his non-anarchist work. It's a pity he didn't put his principles into practice because the best cure for Anarchism is to live like an Anarchist for an extended period. Most people grow out of anarchism by their early 20's: it's like the Wiggles, or the novel Steppenwolf in that it appeals almost exclusively to a particular age-bracket.

[huxley2221]

@huxley2221 Chomsky's pseudo-moral posturing about Anarchsm is what most sickens people, even those who agree with much of his non-anarchist work. It's a pity he didn't put his principles into practice because the best cure for Anarchism is to live like an Anarchist for an extended period. Most people grow out of anarchism by their early 20's: it's like the Wiggles, or the novel Steppenwolf in that it appeals almost exclusively to a particular age-bracket.

[huxley2221]

@GodOfTheInternets ouch, u got me... not. U say the Anarchist hypothesis is untestable, except on a world-wide scale, which U are forced to because it fails at every other scale, as the long list of failed anarchist experiments clearly shows. So you ignore the data and make excuses rather than admit the truth. And the central idea of Anarchism is the same as communism: abolish private property and live in a commune, which has been rejected by every country which has been given the choice.

[GodOfTheInternets]

@huxley2221

strawmen that is.

[GodOfTheInternets]

@huxley2221

Ok, now write those arguments without the strawmans and falsehoods.

[huxley2221]

@GodOfTheInternets The supposed moral perfection of Anarchism is also a lie: Paying reasonable wages is not morally equivalent to slavery, and it is deeply immoral of Chomsky to pretend it is. The alternative of "compulsory voluntarism" seen in Kibbutzes etc is much worse. Differential wages for higher skills, etc are also not immoral, they are fair. So the basic moral premises are bogus.. Chomsky maintains a pose of moral superiority, long after his views on Anarchism have been demolished.

[huxley2221]

@GodOfTheInternets A commune in a capitalist society is much freer than in an Anarchist society, in which prohibitions on trade,accumulation of assets,etc require absolute control by the Anarchist Government: the name Anarchism is a lie, because it requires laws and government to function. U r saying Anarchism fails 100% unless the entire world takes it up, when it will work perfectly. Can U C Y no reasonable person should accept that? It fails every test, in principle, and practice.

[GodOfTheInternets]

@huxley2221

The reason anarchist are not going to live in an anarchist commune has several reasons, mainly because it's impossible. Firstly, if I establish a commune this commune will be subject to the laws and coercion of the state. Secondly, if I establish a commune or cooperative this will be subject to the capitalist market economy, e.g. the perpetuation of commodity production, the wages system, etc.

An anarchist commune is impossible, just like socialism in one country.