I never said that it was all muslims. As long as its shown to be consistent behaviour by a select group of people, my point is valid. Not only this, but death threats and murders tend to only get limited condemnation by the muslim community at large.. they are, after all, all "brothers".
Furthermore, even though all three Abrahamic religions are primitive, Islam is the only one that claims to be the perfect, final word of God... so it is unreformable, which partially explains it.
@mcpencil Do you understand that not ALL Muslim people call for death threats etc? Its not a quality that is uniform all members of the group, so to use it to judge them all against another group is flawed?
I was not making a racial point but a cultural/religious one. People fear criticising islam, and rightly so, because it will end up in death threats or worse. Not so with any other culture/religion (barring legal action from the ADL; not really in the same ballpark). So no, I am not talking about terrorists or race at all.
I used Israel as an example to show that Jews too, like all people, are capable of nasty and despicable actions. There's no "difference between the two people"
@mcpencil Mate, you first comment implied, with racial undertones, that Muslims (when you should really specify "terrorists" by the way, lest you look racist) are inherently bad people in nature when compared to Jews. Ofcourse it was wrong, petty and immature to kill van Gogh, but so is killing a UN truck driver because he's delivering supplies to Gaza City, that was my point.
You clearly have a limited understanding of the issue. We were talking about retaliation for negative portrayal in the media, eg. Theo van Gogh and his murder.
This has nothing to do with the Israeli government, which is simply trying to protect its citizens from rocket attacks and suicide bombings, which are again perpetrated by muslims. You frame it as if israel deliberately goes out of its way to harm civilians; you're either confused or dishonest.
@mcpencil by kicking up a storm I meant doing things such as killing UN truck drivers, packing Palestinian civilians into houses and shelling them and restricting peoples movments and lifestyles based on race and religion and clearly disobeying UN mandates and resolutions. And this is a world Government, the Israeli Government, not a relativly small group of downtrodden people in caves
kicking up a storm is completely different to causing riots and murders when someone DARES to portray mohammed in a certain way. So no, bad muslims are alot worse than bad jews.
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delonge5000 9 months ago
@GTA188199
I never said that it was all muslims. As long as its shown to be consistent behaviour by a select group of people, my point is valid. Not only this, but death threats and murders tend to only get limited condemnation by the muslim community at large.. they are, after all, all "brothers".
Furthermore, even though all three Abrahamic religions are primitive, Islam is the only one that claims to be the perfect, final word of God... so it is unreformable, which partially explains it.
mcpencil 1 year ago
@mcpencil Do you understand that not ALL Muslim people call for death threats etc? Its not a quality that is uniform all members of the group, so to use it to judge them all against another group is flawed?
GTA188199 1 year ago
@GTA188199
I was not making a racial point but a cultural/religious one. People fear criticising islam, and rightly so, because it will end up in death threats or worse. Not so with any other culture/religion (barring legal action from the ADL; not really in the same ballpark). So no, I am not talking about terrorists or race at all.
mcpencil 1 year ago
I used Israel as an example to show that Jews too, like all people, are capable of nasty and despicable actions. There's no "difference between the two people"
GTA188199 1 year ago
@mcpencil Mate, you first comment implied, with racial undertones, that Muslims (when you should really specify "terrorists" by the way, lest you look racist) are inherently bad people in nature when compared to Jews. Ofcourse it was wrong, petty and immature to kill van Gogh, but so is killing a UN truck driver because he's delivering supplies to Gaza City, that was my point.
GTA188199 1 year ago
@GTA188199
You clearly have a limited understanding of the issue. We were talking about retaliation for negative portrayal in the media, eg. Theo van Gogh and his murder.
This has nothing to do with the Israeli government, which is simply trying to protect its citizens from rocket attacks and suicide bombings, which are again perpetrated by muslims. You frame it as if israel deliberately goes out of its way to harm civilians; you're either confused or dishonest.
mcpencil 1 year ago
@mcpencil by kicking up a storm I meant doing things such as killing UN truck drivers, packing Palestinian civilians into houses and shelling them and restricting peoples movments and lifestyles based on race and religion and clearly disobeying UN mandates and resolutions. And this is a world Government, the Israeli Government, not a relativly small group of downtrodden people in caves
GTA188199 1 year ago
@katv09
Theo van Gogh.
That is all.
mcpencil 1 year ago
@GTA188199
kicking up a storm is completely different to causing riots and murders when someone DARES to portray mohammed in a certain way. So no, bad muslims are alot worse than bad jews.
mcpencil 1 year ago