John Piper Why Is Hell Hard to Take Seriously
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@joelieherp
I'm not sure what you mean, by your comment? John Piper said nothing about Volume, Space, Mass, Form, or Shape, so why the word either? He did not deny the reality of Hell, simply that mankind (all those without Christ) confirm 1 Cor 1:18 by considering it foolishness, because the thought itself is so horrific. Sound observation.
DPMosteller 5 days ago
@ndzoko
We have told you the truth, and why we believe; the proven reliability of the Bible, and the documented and historically proven evidence for the person and work of Jesus Christ. Faith is trust, and trust needs an object to be valid. We believe because what can be known about God is plain to all men, clearly perceived from the things that are made, so that all mankind is without excuse. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ now and you will be saved. You will know it by His ongoing presence.
DPMosteller 2 months ago
@ndzoko
Key words: For all I know (at present) will kill you. Have a nice life, and try not to die.
DPMosteller 2 months ago
@ndzoko
Hold that thought, you'll be there sooner than you think. Maybe it won't be as bad as the Bible claims it will be, and I'm sure eternity will be over before you know it.
Do you really think reality adjusts to what you believe? If so, do us all a favor and not believe in IRS. On the proven reliability of the Bible, on the documented and historically proven evidence for the person and work of Jesus Christ, on His teaching on the reality and horror of Hell, I would suggest, you not go.
DPMosteller 2 months ago
@eingram21
I'm familiar with Peter's statement. Did you read it to the end?
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
"To shut the mouths of the obstreperous" is our main charge as Christ's apologists, as John Calvin noted it in his Institutes.
DPMosteller 5 months ago
@eingram21
Does it concern you that you were dead wrong on your first two points? It should.
Balance is the all elusive aspect in representing the living God, particularly in our interaction with unbelievers. However, over the last 50 years, because of the fear of men (Proverbs 29:25) most seem more willing to offend their Creator and Lord than someone who totally rejects Him and suppresses His truth. I'm not. Overemphasizing the gentleness aspect, we have dishonored God. Don't do that here!
DPMosteller 5 months ago
@DPMosteller regardless of the first aspect, which I am still not convinced, please examine yourself carefully on the second. You dont see any man of God in the new testament who was on a mission to shut peoples mouths.
1 Peter 3:15 "but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect"
Take note of the gentleness and respect part.
eingram21 5 months ago
@eingram21
Look up the word ὀργή in reference to God's anger and you'll find the word translated in our day as orgy. What in the world does orgy have to do with God's anger? Well, its an uninhibited, unrestrained, passionate emotional torrent or tsunami. We apply it to physical intimacy, however, in the Bible you will find it applied to God's wrath against sin and those who perpetrate it. I'm sorry, but, you're wrong. Want to argue? Then study the material, I'm not interested in your opinion.
DPMosteller 5 months ago
@eingram21
Wrong! TRUTH is the key, not gentleness. Truth is the most important thing on this planet, not love, not gentleness, not respectfulness, TRUTH. Bottom line, Why was Jesus born? Well, He said, He was born and came into the world to... bear witness to the TRUTH. He said He was TRUTH. He called God's Word TRUTH. He referred to the third person of the Trinity as The Spirit of TRUTH. Seems clear to me. So, if you don't have this foundational principle as your starting point, don't argue.
DPMosteller 5 months ago
@DPMosteller Also, read this excerpt from 1 Peter 3:15b-16 "always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, 16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame." Gentleness and respect is key.
eingram21 5 months ago