Noam Chomsky on right wing Tea Party protests, " People with real grievances"

Noam Chomsky talks about the rise of right wing protesters and about the people who belong to this movement.

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[Dubmmb]

he is actually proving chomskys point that is the beauty of it

[Dubmmb]

No Steven he is a critic of conservatism and thereby progressive, my guess is that you are the one who wants society to go back to the way it were before the welfare state and not progress beyond it... Dimwit

[bootleg42]

I see. You're a U.S. internet "libertarian" (a word mal-used by you all because EVERYWHERE else in the world, libertarian means anti-Leninist Socialist/Anarchist, NOT hyper-capitalist). You guys openly hate democracy.

You want to see an example of socialism? Try anarchist Catalonia, which was incredibly free and democratic. It was destroyed by invasions from the fascists, liberals (the US), and the Soviet Union (who all worked together) because it was a real example of democracy and freedom.

[bootleg42]

First I agree with you in that we're not a wallet, nor a uniform, nor a number. I am a human being (we all are), which is why when I work, I don't want a boss, because working for a boss is degrading. Most philosophers during the enlightenment saw the same thing.

If I'm working under command (for an employer) then I'm not free. If I work freely without an employer, then I'm free.

It's sad you wish to accept a boss. I hope you reconsider your thinking and you question authority.

[Max Ferris]

And Democracy is another form of force, and you can't force and litigate a stable economy. Socialism doesn't work in democracy and that's why it has ALWAYS fallen to dictatorships of the many (Jewish Bolsheviks) or the few (Hitler).

Libertarianism is different in America because we actually have concepts of liberty while Europe's version came from peoples undergoing DE-Nazification education and indoctrination into Neo-Communism... which later was called the EU.

Socialism is anti-Liberty.

[Max Ferris]

There you go with your cult thought again.

I work for myself, in every job I've ever had, not for the management or the company, or America; I work for myself. I am a person working for my own desires and interests to the benefit of an employer. You are not a worker, you are not your wallet, you are not your fucking uniform, you are a human being. not a number, cattle, a goy, or part of the hive.

A boss will always exist in any system, grow up.

[bootleg42]

Yeah. I just read that entire conversation. HDLadee is proving Chomsky's point 100%.

The working people who end up supporting these right wing populists have legit frustrations thanks to the fact that business has been able to destroy any type of labor movement in the country. Real wages has been decreasing since 1980. People are frustrated (rightfully), so they'll become susceptible to these looney right wing cults or irrational beliefs.

Hopefully Occupy Wall St can help in fighting back.

[bootleg42]

There is an easy way to know if you're a worker or not.....do you work for someone? If the answer is yes, then you're a worker.

If you and your community don't run your own work, then either the state or a businessman (a boss) will.

Democracy is socialism, because a person who controls his/her work along with his/her community (without the existence of a state or private power) can have economic democracy.

Libertarian Socialism (real socialism) eliminates both the private boss and the state.

[Max Ferris]

Socialism began as a cult in New Hope Indiana and with mystics like Hegel, or Moses Hess the inventor of Communism and Labor Zionism...

It comes from mystical beliefs and will remain there. If you want to get robbed because someone promised you could get paid better for being designated as a worker bee in the hive then go ahead and get robbed. Unions and contracted benefits have existed for thousands of years without it.

[Max Ferris]

NO, haha! You have no idea what Socialism is if you only listen to propagandists. Socialism has everything to do with the State because you just said it, "workers" CONTROL their own work, WHO THE FUCK designates me a worker, or you my union leader, or my work as apart of your industrial machine???? A governing body... that's who.

Democracy can't survive in Socialism because you need individuality and protections for the individual for Democracy to work which is anti-socialism.

[bootleg42]

The Fed and the IRS has ZERO to do with actual socialism. Anything the state does has nothing to do with socialism.

Socialism means workers control their own work, and the society is democratic (in that communities work to make their own decisions on how to run affairs).

What in the world does that have to do with the IRS or FED?!??!!?!?

[Max Ferris]

All of those payments to build roads and shit... they happen without the IRS or the FED. We don't need Socialism to build our society.