This is a sermon intro for a wrap up of the first two chapters of Luke's gospel. I have seen plenty of projects out there using typography so thought I would give it a shot. This is also using Video Co-Pilots Evolution series flourishes.
Riddle me this: One person says, "A car flipped over in a crash." Another person says, "there was an 18 car pile up". Which one is lying, or forgetting details? Is one of them being inaccurate?
@staum607 News agencies don't claim to have a God as their editor.
"their stories could appear to contradict each other. "
They don't just appear.
Pick a gospel and tell me, who went to Jesus' tomb, and what did they find?
And consider this : do you remember where you were and who told you about 9/11? I do. VIVIDLY. The shock engrained the memory for me. As it did for virtually everyone I know. Yet these guys can't recall it with accuracy? Even with a God in their brain?
@staum607 " I will operate under the assumption your knowledge of the Bible is not based upon your own careful study"
You're partially right - my knowledge also includes other people's studies, interpretations and apologetics. Knowing something from only one perspective only serves delusions. :/
@TheHigherVoltage have you ever watched two different news agencies (or even reporters) report on the exact same story? Depending on what part they emphasize (for any number of reasons) their stories could appear to contradict each other. If God wanted all 4 Gospel writers to write the exact same thing, He wouldn't have needed 4, only 1!
@staum607 I wouldn't dispute that stepfathers might be listed in ancient genealogies - it's possible that 'genealogy' did not mean, 'genealogy' 2000 years ago.
However, it does not explain these discrepancies or any others. The writers are suppose to be chosen by a God to spread this stuff. They're both suppose to have a super-version of the Holy Spirit in them, performing all kinds of miracles according to Jesus's promises. Yet they don't get the same info?
@TheHigherVoltage By again asking for the passage, I will operate under the assumption your knowledge of the Bible is not based upon your own careful study, but by what you have others say/write about it. Therefore I will provide the passage; Deut 25:5-10 provides an explanation on how 2 genealogies for Jesus could have apparent contradictions with different people. A man was required to raise up seed for his dead brother's widow. Therefore, either name as the father could be accurate.
@TheHigherVoltage I gave you my reason for not including the verse with my initial statement (pt2). Are you saying you have not done a study on your own but are simply parroting what you have heard from others about the Bible? If that is the case, no problem giving you the passage. If you have studied on your own, then this is a no-brainer.
@TheHigherVoltage pt2 Since you present yourself as a Bible scholar who has found (I assume on your own, that you haven't been told about them) all these contradictions in the Bible, I figured you would easily find the answer to your problem in Deut. However, if that is not the case, I will gladly give you the passage (not a single verse taken out of context)
@TheHigherVoltage different people went and found different things.
Riddle me this: One person says, "A car flipped over in a crash." Another person says, "there was an 18 car pile up". Which one is lying, or forgetting details? Is one of them being inaccurate?
staum607 3 months ago
@staum607 News agencies don't claim to have a God as their editor.
"their stories could appear to contradict each other. "
They don't just appear.
Pick a gospel and tell me, who went to Jesus' tomb, and what did they find?
And consider this : do you remember where you were and who told you about 9/11? I do. VIVIDLY. The shock engrained the memory for me. As it did for virtually everyone I know. Yet these guys can't recall it with accuracy? Even with a God in their brain?
Or was there.
TheHigherVoltage 3 months ago
@staum607 " I will operate under the assumption your knowledge of the Bible is not based upon your own careful study"
You're partially right - my knowledge also includes other people's studies, interpretations and apologetics. Knowing something from only one perspective only serves delusions. :/
TheHigherVoltage 3 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage have you ever watched two different news agencies (or even reporters) report on the exact same story? Depending on what part they emphasize (for any number of reasons) their stories could appear to contradict each other. If God wanted all 4 Gospel writers to write the exact same thing, He wouldn't have needed 4, only 1!
staum607 3 months ago
@staum607 I wouldn't dispute that stepfathers might be listed in ancient genealogies - it's possible that 'genealogy' did not mean, 'genealogy' 2000 years ago.
However, it does not explain these discrepancies or any others. The writers are suppose to be chosen by a God to spread this stuff. They're both suppose to have a super-version of the Holy Spirit in them, performing all kinds of miracles according to Jesus's promises. Yet they don't get the same info?
TheHigherVoltage 3 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage By again asking for the passage, I will operate under the assumption your knowledge of the Bible is not based upon your own careful study, but by what you have others say/write about it. Therefore I will provide the passage; Deut 25:5-10 provides an explanation on how 2 genealogies for Jesus could have apparent contradictions with different people. A man was required to raise up seed for his dead brother's widow. Therefore, either name as the father could be accurate.
staum607 3 months ago
@staum607 "I gave you my reason for not including the verse with my initial statement (pt2)"
And I asked again for it.
I've read the bible, as a believer for 19 years and as a non-believer a few times since.
"no problem giving you the passage."
Please provide it then. I know you do have a problem giving me the passage.
TheHigherVoltage 3 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage I gave you my reason for not including the verse with my initial statement (pt2). Are you saying you have not done a study on your own but are simply parroting what you have heard from others about the Bible? If that is the case, no problem giving you the passage. If you have studied on your own, then this is a no-brainer.
staum607 3 months ago
@staum607 "If you were truly interested in understand the Bible, you would have wanted to see how Deuteronomy explains the genealogy of Jesus. "
I said : "What does Deuteronomy have to do with the number of generations not being the same or the names being the same? Cite verse."
Why are you pretending I did not ask you to clarify your claim with evidence?
TheHigherVoltage 3 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage pt2 Since you present yourself as a Bible scholar who has found (I assume on your own, that you haven't been told about them) all these contradictions in the Bible, I figured you would easily find the answer to your problem in Deut. However, if that is not the case, I will gladly give you the passage (not a single verse taken out of context)
staum607 3 months ago