israels BROKEN BONES policy

Yitzhak Rabin instructed soldiers to break their arms and legs of Palestinians, when they began their popular uprising against the Israeli occupation in 1987.



Statistics from the First intifada, Dec 1987 - 1990

Palestinian civilians killed - 1,100 ( 250 were children )

Jewish Civilians Killed - 114 ( 5 were children )


Statistics can be found @ btselem.org

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[YehudiMaamin]

@revol148

I read and hear a lot about the radical Muslims taking over the UK, Londonistan, etc, and IMO, it's *mostly* hype and scaremongering. There are indeed many British Muslims who fit Melanie Philip's characterisations perfectly, but I don't think that's most of the community. I suppose I meant to say that British Jews, even the most fundamentalist among them, don't want to remake British society--just stay in their own enclaves like Stamford Hill, unlike radical British Muslims.

[YehudiMaamin]

@revol148

Technically, I don't think there's such a thing as "secular Islam", there are of course people of Muslim heritage who are secular, but if they fully adopt secularism, they are no longer strictly speaking "Muslim". Yet I think there's a distinction to be made between reformist, moderate and modernizing (all different things) Muslims and the uncompromising Jihadis/Salafist/Wahhabi types. It's complex. I don't indict all believing, devout, observant Muslims because of the nutters.

[YehudiMaamin]

@revol148

Understand that I didn't read Ms Hurndall's account, but please know I don't excuse any rudeness that may have been shown her. I concede that Israeli security can be brusque and rude, but they also have a job to do. I think they can and should be more courteous, and that goes for any police/army/security officials anywhere. I can tell you as one who's done checkpoint duty supplementing Border Police in the Reserves that I've seen all kinds, from polite to rude, from both sides.

[YehudiMaamin]

@revol148

I was surprised how I was treated at NYC/JFK just 6 months ago--I was flying to Heathrow and then Tel Aviv, and the American security man, big burly bloke, didn't ask me any questions but straightaway ordered me to remove various items of clothing, very impersonal, very quick intimate check. (Let's just say I was insulted he didn't buy me a drink or dinner!, LOL) This was something actually quite new for me, I'mused to the routine of taking off the shoes, but not that.

[YehudiMaamin]

@revol148

They have a protocol at Tel Aviv for screening. The truth is it's usually rare there to ask people to strip, but they ask very intrusive questions, look searchingly into traveler's eyes, ask variations on the same questions again, and if they think you give dodgy answers,then they'll ask to remove clothing.. They rarely do the same for Israeli Jewish citizens, but we have to have an exit permit to leave-dual citizens like me must show our Israeli passport coming and going, etc.

[revol148]

@YehudiMaamin re:the Arab uprising.I do wonder if the Arabs held back and waited a decade whether that additional weaponary and manpower might have tipped the balance in the 1948 war rather than wasting it attacking the Mandate interim administration.Likewise surely the Arab world must have realised that Palestine was changing demographically and that maybe attacking in the late 1930's / early 1940's would have been more tactical rather than leaving it until the mandate was in its dying days.

[revol148]

@YehudiMaamin I'm not sure what the future holds in Europe to be honest.Well meaning European politicians who grew up in the idealistic post second world war world seem to believe that we are all one big happy family.This is of course nonsense - the still semi-feral nature of homo-sapiens and the misery they unleash on their own species is to be seen on every news channel.I do however make a distinction between secular Islam and the more newsworthy jahadists/Islamofascists/atten­tion seekers

[revol148]

@YehudiMaamin On the contrary I thought my 20 minute screening process at Tel-Aviv airport was actually quite a challenge (in a good way) - besides if I wanted an easy life I would have turned up with a brand new passport.Airports across the world are always difficult - any belligerance shown to immigration officials and they are well within their remit to get the rubber gloves out!

[revol148]

@YehudiMaamin Besides from a travel point of view having a non-Israeli passport allows you to go to countries otherwise closed to Israelis.Although saying that even on an UK/EU passport getting to Yemen,Sudan,Iran is a nightmare (I speak from experience!) Still Israelis are barred from travelling to Indonesia - lucky them! LOL

[revol148]

@YehudiMaamin possibly (my experience of muslims is limited - primarily via anecdotal evidence although I haved worked with a few very secular musilms in the past).As always along with female circumcision, honour killing, wearing burkas, burning books by Salman Rushdie,crying when Danish artists insult Allah, calling even non muslim women who don't cover up "whores" - the event in mentioned in Libya never seems to appear in Taoism,Jainism,Therevada Bhuddism,Russian Orthodox,Sikism societies