The Lebenswelt (Life-world)

(response to some of themodernmystic's and pyrrho314's videos)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeworld

0ThouArtThat0's QuickCapture Video - April 21, 2009, 08:50 PM

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[notonewhit]

As far as "unconscious experience" goes, that's a huge can of worms that depends on what one means by "unconscious" and "experience". If experience requires the dimension of worldy time then 'material things' can not have experience nor possess consciousness. This does not mean that I can't trace the provinance of a thing by the marks it may carry. (Have you seen the Red Violin)

[0ThouArtThat0]

Yeah, it is a can of worms. I am still trying to find a way to connect Heidegger and Whitehead. Though profoundly different, I see something important in both that is crying out for synthesis.

[LV07TSK]

thinking to mySelf shit I guess now I gotta say reasoning with my Self LoL....anyway, just thinking out loud here (giggle, giggle)....I wonder if people who debate this idea of Self (Heidegger's Dasein) ever dive into Neuroscience? Some good ol' fMRI's, PET scans, and, ugh, the brain probe???? How come "philosophers" of Mind, never talk about the brain, or neurons, or neurochemicals? They're scared to admit the utterly material reality of our existence....cry babies!!!

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

This is agreeable to very many of us, when speaking of Buddha. Ater all, 0ThouArtThat0 has introduced and made videos about his meditation practice... ect.

[zencat]

Once again I feel compelled to point out that the Buddha not only realized this stuff conceptually, but actually discovered how to experience it as Absolute Truth. It kills me sometimes how culture-centric these discussions are. Western Philosophy. Barely out of diapers.

[otonanoC]

This is a fascinating counter-perspective!! This is more a thesis building around the observation that individuality is an illusion, and that really there is only one, unitary "I" of existence (we might use Brahman here). 

Generally, however, I believe that Schopenhauer is more relevant to the discussion, especially in regards to Pyrrho's example of lust. Schop writes that human logic is hijacked (by The Will) in order to "rationalize" lust.

[busheybushdawg]

So which perspective (the life world or science) is closer to the truth of the way things really are? Are they just opposite poles of an even greater truth? Does even make any sense to speak of the way the world "really is" independent of our particular perspective or does science (although it is evolving in the kuhnian sense) somehow transcend our individual experiential limitations and perspectives?

[paradirob]

explodes the outside of the can of worms and consciousness is like a worm in Being. Think of the full plenum of being as an apple and the worm as making a worm hole through it. Intentionality is retained and consciousness is always consciousness of something. It's sort of a glow worm because consciousness is Nothing. Then MP uses the metaphor of this nothingness as having a footprint in the material world. Whitehead and MP are used by Damasio to describe a consciousness/body isomorphic process.

[paradirob]

While meditating on a pond this morning, I noticed a red lady-bug with black dots on its back. It was flailing about on the surface with all six legs. The problem then presented itself to me. There were bubbles on the surface and pipes running along the bottom of the pond. Could the insect align itself with any arrow (pipe) of intentionality? No. It paddled itself around in circles. Husserl has furniture in consciousness and uses the transcendental ego (I), to discern their essence. Sartre...

[wholethinker]

"Being able to question one's own existence is peculiar to human consciousness."

Did you mean that for the consciousness below human there is no question yet, above human - already not a question?