What are the secular arguments against same sex marriage?

This video points the dearth of secular arguments against same-sex marriage, and wonders if there are actually any out there which do not rely on homophobia.

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@Undertaker202 maybe we should make it so you can't reproduce... sounds good to me, and i'm straight

[Califacience]

@conradleviston *sigh* Why are you discussing arguments AGAINST same sex marriage? If Classical Marriage is the Status Quo, what is required is an argument FOR the claims of the Same Sex marriage advocate.

Heretofore I have yet to encounter a single non-tautological argument for why same sex marriage MUST be required.

[redbulborb]

@conradleviston Why is that relevant? The gigantism phenomena is from excess of growth hormone, then considerably a unnatural height but not the people themselves. Humans are probably the blame for the majority of abnormalities, perhaps.

[conradleviston]

@redbulborb So people over 6'6" are unnatural?

[redbulborb]

@conradleviston Actually abnormal is one of the antonyms for natural.

Drought is a natural phenomenon, not occurring artificially(sometimes).

I mean natural as in what is expected/suited, essential not conditioned for. If its excess or deficient its not the natural levels.

[conradleviston]

@redbulborb I am sorry for accusing you of making stuff up, but that's a really bad definition. It means that different stripes on zebras are not part of natural variation, as stripe patterns are determined in utero, not genetically.

Abnormal does not imply unnatural. Drought implies abnormally low rainfall, but it still is part of the natural cycle of the weather. Excesses and deficiencies testosterone in the womb can make people better or worse at maths. Are these differences unnatural?

[redbulborb]

@conradleviston No I didn't make anything up.

its at w w w dot unit5 dot org slash villhauer under N in the glossary

And how was that an argument? I just asked what the differences is.

"external stimulus does not automatically mean it is unnatural"

when did say that it does?

I said they said it was, "external stimuli *and used words like abnormal around it"

I don't think physiological excess and deficiencies in androgen implies natural.

[conradleviston]

@redbulborb The difference is that you just made up the definition for the second one in order to support your argument. Natural variation may occur due to either genetic factors, but may also be triggered by environmental factors (eg gender imbalance in a social group or variation in prenatal hormonal input). The fact that something occurs due to an external stimulus does not automatically mean it is unnatural, otherwise we could say that the fact we produce vitamin D from UV rays is unnatural.

[redbulborb]

@conradleviston Genetic Variation: Refers to the differences in inherited traits that exist among the members of a species.

Natural Variation: Differences among individuals of a species; due to genetic variety, slight differences in the genetic code.

Um, what is the difference between these two terms?

Also I don't remember your reference providing support that its natural, in fact they theorized it was caused by external stimuli and used words like "abnormal" around it. But I'll look again.

[conradleviston]

@redbulborb 1. If you read back you will realise that I was replying to somebody who said that homosexuality was invalid because it is not natural. Your point about "is unnatural always bad?" would be better directed at that person.

2. I did not use the term "genetic variation". I used the term "natural variation". The reference I gave provided strong support for the second claim, just not the first.