PC Simon Harwood and Why You Should Throw Discarded Litter at Him

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[BigSkimmo]

The fact that he ended up dying is, of course, a tragedy, but should a police officer go to jail for simply doing his job? What if it was less severe? What if he had just taken him by the arm and moved him off the road, and then he had later died? The fact is that the guy shouldn't have been in the way of police. It's terrible that he died but it's a freak accident, not murder. I wish PC Simon Harwood all the best and hope that he continues his career with the police.

[C2TheMizzle]

@BigSkimmo That's assuming he would've just died anyway, which the evidence suggests he would not have. And taking him by the arm and moving him off the road would've been proper procedure, so we wouldn't even be here. Accident, sure. Avoidable, definitely. And for that he belongs in jail. Roll on the trial in June.

[Starman117]

@BigSkimmo I am using material that's not from this video, I got it by watching another one, like I advised you to do which you obvs can't be bothered to do. Also I read the papers. Goodbye.

[BigSkimmo]

@Starman117: and on that note I'm out of this 'debate'. You're not reading my points and now you're just inventing material that can't be gleaned from the video. Enjoy your life of ignorance, I'm glad that there are more educated people to make the real decisions.

[Starman117]

@BigSkimmo Why is he walking away from this police line? Because he walked up to them and said "sorry officer's I'm out here" and they said "no you're not mate get back in." Watch G20 death: new Tomlinson video by channel 4 it's the 5th vid down on the right, it shows him trying to leave. Btw he's not a protestor he's a newspaper vendor trying to commute home.

[Starman117]

@007RoyalFlush Like I said as long as the media is allowed to identify people then he has to be identified as well. When and if they stop I'm with you, but we're not there yet.

[BigSkimmo]

@Starman117: No, he wasn't just trying to go home. If he was trying to go home, he would have left. Plain and simple. 'Sorry officers! I'm out of here!'. The fact that he put his hands in his pockets and walked very slowly directly in front of a police line showed that he was trying to hinder the officers, and play himself off as a victim if they moved him physically. It's a very standard tactic by protesters. He got shoved (reasonable force) and it was a freak accident that he died.

[007RoyalFlush]

@Starman117 The push is not in doubt, but whether it caused his death is the main dispute of the trial, that's why the trial has been postponed. The substance of his defence is not the point of my argument, it is that the media have no right whatsoever to identify him unless he has been found guilty.

[Starman117]

@BigSkimmo 3 or 4 people smashed windows, the rest of the crowd just watched,. so not a riot situation. And this was HOURS before Tomlinson was on the scene. You said it's Tomlinson's fault for begin part of the disturbance, can you see him committing a disturbance, because I can't? He was trying to go home and the police kettled and killed him.

[Starman117]

@007RoyalFlush The media commentary says things like this is the point where Harwood appears to throw him to the ground Tomlinson later died". They would see it and then immediately afterwards the prosecutor would be far less neutral. Harwood pushing over Tomlinson isn't in doubt neither is that it killed him. Harwoods defense will probably be that it was all an accident.

[007RoyalFlush]

@Starman117 Yes they would have see it, the thing you fail to understand is that the video shown in a court room will be unbiased. It will also have no commentary, and the jurors will have no prior opinion on the matter. The jurors will enter the courtroom already knowing if they're going to convict him or not, which is completely wrong. The media have already tainted the trial by releasing the video and creating a public opinion before the trial.

[Starman117]

@007RoyalFlush You do realsie the Jury would have seen the video in the court room anyway so i fail too see how seeing it 3 years before the rial will affect the verdict. if the vid hadn't been broadcast we might never have heard the truth. And the Met told the media who he was, there was no way to tell from the vid. Actually police are rarely convicted so the whole thing probably balances itself out. PS I maintain no one should be identified pre trial but as they are now police can't be exempt.