Planned Parenthood Declares War on Science

This video shows parts of a debate on the Fort Lewis campus, in Durango, CO, regarding abortion and Amendment 62.
Student Representatives of "Advocates for Choice" Planned Parenthood's student outreach group which purports to, "help educate campus audiences about Planned Parenthood Rocky Mountain's health care services and political advocacy work for reproductive issues," respond to the scientific evidence that life begins at conception.
The video was recorded openly by one of the speakers after receiving permission from those involved. The event was also recorded by the student newspaper, was set in a public forum, and has not been edited out of context.

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[PersonhoodUSA]

@metalusa1

Please write on this post in a manner that children who might visit it will not be corrupted. If you use any more profanity or insults, I will block you from further participation in this discussion.

[iwusinger]

@juliewashere88 If that's not a human baby in there the whole time, and it comes out a baby, what is it when its in the woman's body? A watermelon?

[pmills076]

ok if u dont want science on ur body then dont go to a doctor anymore.

[smartass250]

its ironick how she rode on a fling matchen that yous,es hy powered syclone terbine the rode in simpler conbustible movie matich to a buiding that whas constructed by powered toolls and more matchines.to talk in a comfertible 72 deger artificial inviroment with air vental letion on a magentic devise that amplifys her voic&sends it to more powerful magentic devise,es that fills the room with her voic say why we should be skeptical of scients

[rmcarrey]

@pmills076 lol i was thinking the same thing when she said that. She shouldnt have been invited XD

[lapetitefrancaise07]

@juliewashere88 I'm not sure what you meant in the first line of your response ("Gametes/alive/human"?), or why my text is discredited.

Of course a woman never stops being a person, and anyone that ignores her discredits their own reasons to fight abortion. But I believe there are two persons at stake, and that it would be wrong to ignore either one.

I'm not here to win, just to defend the case as reasonable and not contrary to science. But I've said all I'm going to say. I won't strong-arm you.

[juliewashere88]

@lapetitefrancaise07 Gametes. Alive. Human. You lose. Your text is discredited.

Oh, but do let me know if at any point therein a woman stops being a person, as that's the only thing that matters anyway.

[lapetitefrancaise07]

@metalsusa1 Thanks :) I consider honest search for truth honorable, even if I disagree with your position. No matter what some religious nuts might say, a Christian should respect any honest desire for truth, especially since we believe truth comes from God. Your "might makes right" comment is intriguing, but I think the ensuing discussion would be to large for a comments bar. Feel free to message me if you feel like engaging in a discussion about it. I'm always up for it (philosophy major,lol)

[metalsusa1]

@lapetitefrancaise07 Apology not necessary but accepted. Thank you.

I am not a believer in God or any other supernatural claims. I am open to evidence that God exists, but haven't seen any convincing evidence so far. I don't hate God nor do I hate Christians.

That pretty much sums up where I'm coming from. My non belief took many years to take hold.

An omniscient and omnipotent deity holds me accountable for sins he knew I would commit before the foundation of the world. Might makes right?

[lapetitefrancaise07]

@juliewashere88 The Developing Human Being By Keith Moore, and T.V.N. Persaud 7th edition, 2003 : "Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell – a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” (p. 16) "

I didn't make it up. That's a standard text. Larsen's text says something similar, on page 1 of the 3rd ed.

[lapetitefrancaise07]

@juliewashere88 I'm speaking biologically/genetically, so in this case "individual" is not the same as "person". It's accepted that by the completion of Syngamy #2 (fusion of the pronuclei), a genetically distinct organism is found. Google it in some legit science journals if you don't believe me. In other words, by the time the genetic material fuses (24 hours after penetration of the egg), you have all the genetic material you will ever have.Again, the point of disagreement is over personhood.

[lapetitefrancaise07]

@metalsusa1 After reading who you were replying to, I understand your reaction. That guy was off. Forgive me if I sounded arrogant; I probably need to think about how my words are coming across. I felt like you were talking down to anyone that put faith in religion, but that was probably just because of what you were responding to. And my comment wasn't much better, so I can't talk. I apologize. Anyway, I am a Christian and do my best to be reasonable about it, scientifically and otherwise.

[lapetitefrancaise07]

@planetery Sorry, all I meant was to distinguish what the disagreement was about. And actually I recant that the biological level isn't a point of disagreement. There are some embryologists and ethicists that do take a minority stance and claim that a new human being is not formed at conception. Unfortunately I don't have citations right now. What I meant was that, for the most part, the question of abortion revolves not around whether what is killed is a human being, but whether it's a person.