There is a River- Jars of Clay

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[anacrophobic]

@EhJayJC @EhJayJC And that's true in a sense, in that Jesus did perform the first Lord's Supper, and did Baptize people. But I think it was Man that gave them the importance they currently enjoy in the Catholic Church. I can find no biblical evidence that Jesus ever meant for these to be a tool for salvation, and very visible evidence (the tearing of the veil of the Holy of Holies) to the contrary... that He meant to show that we no longer needed middle men. We could come straight to him.

[EhJayJC]

@anacrophobic "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 3:21; cf. Acts 2:38, 22:16, Rom. 6:3–4, Col. 2:11–12). This short piece helps eplain the Eucharist. have a look at the verses especially, and see if they make sense. If you see some problems, please let me know. God bless! w w w .catholic.com/tracts/christ-in­-the-eucharist

[anacrophobic]

@EhJayJC Except that God is not "in the process" of dispensing grace. It has already been dispensed, once and forever. When Jesus rose and declared victory over spiritual death, he gave us our gift of salvation. We need only accept it. He does not use the constructs of man (sacraments) to deliver this salvation. He merely waits for us to say "Ok, you were right, I was wrong, and I do need you." I guess that's where we differ. You say the sacraments were given to us by God...

[EhJayJC]

@anacrophobic No just spiritual, physical too. :) And I agree in a sense; all grace is given in Christ's Sacrifice; but we tap into it in space and time through that YES! I can understand where you're coming from. But maybe I can be of some help; there is strong Scriptural proof for the importance of the sacraments, as well as historical evidence in the Church's life from day one that point to that. :) Baptism for example was integral for the Christians, and is present throughout the Bible.

[anacrophobic]

Catholics are no more or less Christian than any other denomination. In every church, there are people who believe that showing up on Sundays makes them a Christian, or that because their grandparents were saved, they are too. But there are Catholics who understand that God's gift of salvation is exactly that... a gift, free of charge, for an undeserving world. Not all Catholics believe that rite and ritual are the path to salvation. Most I know don't, in fact.

[EhJayJC]

@anacrophobic @anacrophobic the Eucharist, etc. If you'd like, I can help point out some of why the Catholic Church teaches what it does; it is all meant to bring us deeper in our friendship with God and lead us by God's grace to salvation. w w w .ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/TRE­NT6. H T M . This is from the Church Council of Trent, a very beautiful summary of justification. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) is a super great source if you have questions, is online. also, Catholic dot com.

[123doorman]

Thank you Lord for loving everyone everwhere, always

[fezthedruid]

@Celticpsalm @EhJayJC wasn't this kind of argument supposed to be stopped when ALL the churches became ecumenical? There is only one faith, and that is faith in God. The day you start arguing about it is the day that ONE faith falls down. God loves us all, no matter what denomination, faith, anything. Jesus died for us all, isn't that enough?

[EhJayJC]

@anacrophobic I'd agree with a lot of that; and the Church does teach that our salvation, indeed everything we receive from God, is a grace. We don't hold that "ritual or rite" in and of themselves are what saves us. God wants our hearts more than our bodies doing a certain action. That said, God has given us tools, Sacraments, by which we can receive that grace. The Protestant reformation divorced those two things, the Church didn't. We receive the free gift of God in Baptism, Confession...

[anacrophobic]

God made salvation a gift for a reason. He made it unearnable because He wanted us to realize that we had to rely on Him. The entire need for salvation is a result of us wanting to do things our way. But in this one thing, we *must* do it His way. And His way requires that we rely, in faith, 100% upon Him to provide our salvation... we can't earn it, we can't pay for it. That's what makes it "mercy"... because we can never be perfect through our own power, and He knows that.

[andrewdreiling11]

Jesus, You alone are worthy. All men are as nothing before You. There is no knowledge but Your knowledge. The actions of man apart from You are wholly worthless and contrary to You and Your will. Shut the mouths of the enemy, and of the foolish men, dear Lord. Let Your light, Your word, and Your Spirit sweep through the graveyard that is the American church. Let the sheep be seen, and expose the goats, and give the goats grace to repent and believe (as we all act as goats at times).

[kkkkkkatherine]

Thank YOU LORD JESUS CHRIST for making "THE River that washes us Clean"..Clean because of Your Precious Blood poured out for us....I LOVE YOU LORD JESUS!!!

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But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 John 1:7