Canadians: The Avro Arrow was a FAILURE

Among many other things, the story of the CF-105 Avro Canada Arrow is an example of Canadians rewriting history in their favor to fabricate reasons to be proud. The collective patriotism of Canada seems to always be based on lies that are usually at the expense of the US, the neighbor Canadians are desperate to feel like they are superior to.

Canadians claim that the Avro Arrow was the most effective and capable fighter aircraft, that it was better than anything the US could create, and that because of this the evil US government supposedly forced Canada to cancel it to prevent competition against America's aerospace superiority. All of this is untrue. But of course, whether or not something is true has nothing to do with how Canadians perceive things.

In 1997 the CBC broadcast a 4-hour miniseries called "The Arrow" that was marketed as a documentary but was filled with outright fabrications that I mentioned. This fictional take on history has been swallowed up by Canadians desperate for pride and now it seems the majority of Canadians believe it. But this a recording is of a Canadian professor (one of the few smart, honest Canadians) who goes on to repudiate some of the myths associated with the Arrow.

The Avrow Arrow was inferior to American aircraft that came out earlier.

American F-106 Delta Dart
Maiden flight: 1956
Maximum speed: Mach 2.3
Range: 1,800 mi
Service ceiling: 57,000 ft (17,000 m)
Thrust/weight ratio: 0.71

CF-105 Arrow
Maiden flight: 1958
Maximum speed: Mach 1.96
Range: 410 mi
Service ceiling: 53,000 ft (16,150 m)
Thrust/weight ratio: 0.439

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[TheLordofError]

Funny how the Americans claim that every (good) aircraft in the 20th century was designed by them.....and funny how the Canadian presence in World Wars 1 & 2 isn't very well known outisde of the Netherlands & Canada.....and even stranger, a lot of U.S. aircraft designs seem to use the 'delta wing' design, which Avro developed fr the Arrow. Anyone who disputed this doesn't know their history, evidently.

[MercenarySlick]

@TheLordofError Funny how every thing Canadians ever believe is a lie.

Seriously, delta-wing designs predated the Arrow you moron. The Arrow was not special in anyway, it was completely inferior in every performance aspect compared to the American F-106 Delta Dart... notice the Delta in the name? That's because it had a Delta wing, and was developed BEFORE the Arrow. The Arrow was basically a cheap imitation of a superior American plane that already existed.

[TheLordofError]

@MercenarySlick "Funny how everything Canadians belive is a lie."

"...you moron."

No need to be snarly or get lippy. I'm not an insanely patriotic Canadian, but what you've just said isn't incorrect, but it's also not correct.

Do you really think the U.S. would display the F-106 to the world? Do you think that Avro Canada knew about the design?

[MercenarySlick]

@TheLordofError Do you really think the US would copy the design of a Canadian plane that was inferior to American planes that already existed?

Seriously, Delta designs existed before the Arrow. The Arrow was not a good plane, Canadians have mythologized it to create pride. Canadians have completely fabricated the story that the US was jealous of Canada and pressured the Canadian government to cancel it. It was cancelled because nobody on the planet wanted the plane because it sucked.

[TheLordofError]

@MercenarySlick I find it strange that our government would fabricate easily disprovable story that the Brits wanted some for supersonic tests, the French wanted the Iroquois engines for the Mirage fighters, and the plane did not suck otherwise the RCAF wouldn't have been so interested. And another thing was the comment from Yan Zurakowski that he "had never test-flown an aircraft with so few problems." And what proof do you have that the Arrow sucked? I've never seen any.

[MercenarySlick]

@TheLordofError Wow, seriously, are you fucking insane? You're just further proving that Canadians completely rewrite history to create pride.

NOBODY was interested in the Arrow, not even your own military. That is why it was cancelled, because it was an inferior aircraft before it even took its maiden flight. And yes, the arrow sucked. Look at the description on this video, click "Sow more". Look at the specs compared to the US F-106. The Arrow was inferior in EVERY SINGLE AREA.

[MercenarySlick]

@MacPhee1806 Wow, you Canadians are sad.

1) The Arrow was NOT ahead of anything Americans were producing. Google the F-106 Delta Dart. It was superior to the Arrow in every way.

2) The engineers at Avro couldn't get jobs in Canada because all your programs were failures. They were hired by the US, but only made up a tiny, tiny contribution to American companies.

3) LOL. Aircraft from BEFORE the Arrow tended to have delta wings. Again, look at the F-106 Delta Dart, an earlier American plane.

[MercenarySlick]

@snake2006 Seriously, every single thing you Canadians believe in is a lie and a myth designed to help you have pride. You're the most pathetic country in the history of our species.

The Avro Arrow was a failure. It was inferior in every single way to older American planes. It only went on as long as it did because Canadians wanted to have pride in something. And you only think it was a good aircraft because your government has rewritten history and used the story to create nationalism.

[9604781]

I'm astonished at some of the narrow minded, unintelligent, and completely fabricated comments on this thread. The Avro Arrow was indeed a flop. As a Canadian, a highly educated one at that I can admit that the CF-105 was destined for failure. Often Canadians fantasize about what it could of been, how nicely it could of preformed but the hard facts don't lie, it was an underperforming, over priced, short range piece of crap. The real "gem" in this whole story was the engine designed by Orenda f

[DauntlessAviation]

The Avro Arrow was a beautiful aircraft by any standard and represents an admirable engineering accomplishment that Canadians should be justifiably proud of. It was, however, not the world-beater that some overzealous enthusiasts claim. Of course, most aerospace projects ultimately fail for one reason or another.  Let us admire this aircraft without going to extremes pro or con. We're all friends! The US and Canadian pilots and flight instructors of CanadaPilotdotcom and FAATestdotcom.

[MercenarySlick]

@skatecubed It's amazing how brainwashed you Canadians are. EVERY SINGLE THING that you base your pride on is a lie. You have the worst inferiority complex in the world, and your country is so weak and pathetic that you are required, as a necessity, to lie to yourselves to feel like you're better than the US when every intelligent person in the world (which obviously excludes the majority of Canadians) knows that Canada is just a weak, irrelevant leech attached to the US and nothing more.

[MercenarySlick]

@skatecubed You said the majority of oil used by the US is Canadian. You were wrong. Canada is only the single largest foreign supplier of oil for the US. And what's funny is that you brag about your oil even though it's all American companies, using American technology, who are extracting that oil, and getting it at a cheap price.

We'd get that oil whether or not your nation existed. And again, all business with Canada, including oil, is only 6% of the US GDP. US-business is 90% of Canada's.