I'll wrap up real quick — thanks for the discussion. I can get wordy, but with disability comes much free time, but I rarely do a word wall like this one. I guess I can best equate it with travel. Culture informs the Arts and I love experiencing different cultures, and continue to travel as long as I'm able. The grass is greener sometimes simply because it isn't the grass you see day in/day out. These shows are like postcards from places I'm not lucky enough to be right now.
@lunchboxattacks1 I have to agree about all of those US shows you mentioned. With the talk category, we have people like Jon Stewart, Bill Maher (depends on taste) & Stephen Colbert, who are rare gems. I do miss The Larry Sanders Show. Growing up in the 70s, I was fortunate that our local Public TV station carried Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, and of course Black Adder. Larry Sanders, Curb, Mr Show, et al., have the same eye to quality writing. The UK is rich in comedic talent!
@painxtreme but those people are a bit out of touch to my mind and closed off. I think also that people tend to think the grass is greener elsewhere. You say you like M&W, that's a great program and maybe something like that couldn't exist in the States but the British do that kind of knowing humor very well but America does it's own types of humour very well too, the kind you find on The Larry Sanders Show, Married With Children, Strangers With Candy, Mr Show, 3rd Rock, Curb, etc
@painxtreme I always said I wouldn't become involved in one of these wall of text type discussions on YT but since you took the time to leave such a large and considered reply it would be disrespect not to reply. America's got the infrastructure to do things big, Ireland has not, so much. But it's also a relatively small number of people high up in RTE who make some of the overarching creative decisions and that decision is to aspire to a glamorous presentation style....
Ireland would be better off to be true to itself, tele-wise, all nations should be true to themselves, period. If I were I going to emulate a country, it wouldn't be the US. I don't hate our country, but we give others reason to. We have a way of doing it big, but what that makes that possible, I think, is that California alone, probably comes close to the population of the UK, with an additional 49 state talent pool. The best I can say, having watched Cameron, fear becoming like us.
The Summer Olympiad in the UK will be one of those events that stir the soul by themselves, but put the right production teams in place, and the thrill ramps up to 11. There are some US shows I enjoy...less than a dozen, and I don't, other than sport, watch any network TV, just cable, and even that's rare. BBC America is a blessing, I first saw "The Mitchell and Webb Look" there. I guess I wish we had more substance behind the gloss, then we would have something. Id agree ..more...
@lunchboxattacks1 Well said, and of course its simple to enjoy something you only see snippets of, vs. something you've been immersed in most of one's adult life. Our great presenters are almost all gone now, e.g. Charles Kuralt, Carl Sagan, on the scientific side, and a host of Golden Age entertainers that were still vital in my childhood are all gone. You're right, like Reg Hunter says, "do what you do best", and I guess we do over-the-top productions as well as anyone. cont.
@painxtreme I hear you but I would say that America does glitz with a certain ease and enthusiasm as well so I welcome it moreso when I watch an American production because America knows how to do it but in Ireland glitz so often feels small time and tacked on. It smacks of weak emulation and I just think it would be nice if broadcasters in Ireland made more time to cater to and embrace, rather than deny, the non PC, rain soaked dour Irish mindset a bit more.
@lunchboxattacks1 Here on the US side of the pond, I myself have a fondness for the older, somewhat home made charm television once possessed, a sort of creativity that can only be done by hand. Now, most any effect can be achieved cheap and seamless electronically, thus adding more sheen.
Most US talk shows (we've no panel quizzes), look as if Las Vegas (not Johnny) threw up all over the set. I get very tired of the overblown glitz. It may have its place, just not everywhere.
I'll wrap up real quick — thanks for the discussion. I can get wordy, but with disability comes much free time, but I rarely do a word wall like this one. I guess I can best equate it with travel. Culture informs the Arts and I love experiencing different cultures, and continue to travel as long as I'm able. The grass is greener sometimes simply because it isn't the grass you see day in/day out. These shows are like postcards from places I'm not lucky enough to be right now.
painxtreme 2 days ago
@lunchboxattacks1 I have to agree about all of those US shows you mentioned. With the talk category, we have people like Jon Stewart, Bill Maher (depends on taste) & Stephen Colbert, who are rare gems. I do miss The Larry Sanders Show. Growing up in the 70s, I was fortunate that our local Public TV station carried Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, and of course Black Adder. Larry Sanders, Curb, Mr Show, et al., have the same eye to quality writing. The UK is rich in comedic talent!
painxtreme 2 days ago
@painxtreme but those people are a bit out of touch to my mind and closed off. I think also that people tend to think the grass is greener elsewhere. You say you like M&W, that's a great program and maybe something like that couldn't exist in the States but the British do that kind of knowing humor very well but America does it's own types of humour very well too, the kind you find on The Larry Sanders Show, Married With Children, Strangers With Candy, Mr Show, 3rd Rock, Curb, etc
lunchboxattacks1 5 days ago
@painxtreme I always said I wouldn't become involved in one of these wall of text type discussions on YT but since you took the time to leave such a large and considered reply it would be disrespect not to reply. America's got the infrastructure to do things big, Ireland has not, so much. But it's also a relatively small number of people high up in RTE who make some of the overarching creative decisions and that decision is to aspire to a glamorous presentation style....
lunchboxattacks1 5 days ago
Ireland would be better off to be true to itself, tele-wise, all nations should be true to themselves, period. If I were I going to emulate a country, it wouldn't be the US. I don't hate our country, but we give others reason to. We have a way of doing it big, but what that makes that possible, I think, is that California alone, probably comes close to the population of the UK, with an additional 49 state talent pool. The best I can say, having watched Cameron, fear becoming like us.
painxtreme 1 week ago
The Summer Olympiad in the UK will be one of those events that stir the soul by themselves, but put the right production teams in place, and the thrill ramps up to 11. There are some US shows I enjoy...less than a dozen, and I don't, other than sport, watch any network TV, just cable, and even that's rare. BBC America is a blessing, I first saw "The Mitchell and Webb Look" there. I guess I wish we had more substance behind the gloss, then we would have something. Id agree ..more...
painxtreme 1 week ago
@lunchboxattacks1 Well said, and of course its simple to enjoy something you only see snippets of, vs. something you've been immersed in most of one's adult life. Our great presenters are almost all gone now, e.g. Charles Kuralt, Carl Sagan, on the scientific side, and a host of Golden Age entertainers that were still vital in my childhood are all gone. You're right, like Reg Hunter says, "do what you do best", and I guess we do over-the-top productions as well as anyone. cont.
painxtreme 1 week ago
@painxtreme I hear you but I would say that America does glitz with a certain ease and enthusiasm as well so I welcome it moreso when I watch an American production because America knows how to do it but in Ireland glitz so often feels small time and tacked on. It smacks of weak emulation and I just think it would be nice if broadcasters in Ireland made more time to cater to and embrace, rather than deny, the non PC, rain soaked dour Irish mindset a bit more.
lunchboxattacks1 1 week ago
@lunchboxattacks1 Here on the US side of the pond, I myself have a fondness for the older, somewhat home made charm television once possessed, a sort of creativity that can only be done by hand. Now, most any effect can be achieved cheap and seamless electronically, thus adding more sheen.
Most US talk shows (we've no panel quizzes), look as if Las Vegas (not Johnny) threw up all over the set. I get very tired of the overblown glitz. It may have its place, just not everywhere.
painxtreme 3 weeks ago
@lunchboxattacks1 ur right
ChilloutSessionZ 5 months ago