STG44 and AK47 design

Coincidence? I think not..

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Education

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• Mp44
• AK47
• comparison
• assault
• rifles
• russian
• german
• ww2

[1234lukerr]

what was the name off that author?

[nzww2buff]

@1234lukerr C.J Chivers.

[condog321]

hi ted, i have a quick question and ur the man to ask. what squad/section and platoon level tactics where different in the british and commonwealth nations whom there riflemen who where issued bolt actions rifles to there allies the americans with primarily semiautomatic weapons in the hands of there soldiers? it would seem to me the yanks had a tremendous advantaged with the average solider being apple to produce non interrupted rapid fire therefore being able to employ different squad tactics?

[nzww2buff]

@condog321 Sheeeesh - Big question, Mate. can I get back to you on that? Squad level tactics is a vid coming up in future.

[duanescot]

Regardless of what the Soviets say, I think its pretty obvious that at SOME level they used the STG44 as the basis for the AK47, if you look at the early AK versions Mikhael submitted for trials, and then to the finished product, the STG44 was copied. Also, the breach block and the way the barrel fits into it, is dam close to a copy of the MP44 even though the bolt lockign design is totally different, there are lots of other similiar features including appearence

[AssaultWeaponChannel]

When looking at the stg44, M16 and AK together, it's obvious that the m16 and AK copied the design - The US route was accuracy and ergonomics. The USSR design was firepower and simplicity.

[AssaultWeaponChannel]

is this really you or?

[SwineNahNah]

P.S. Oh one more thin. Russians will also say Germans borrowed heavily from Soviet automatic rifles of late 1930's - early 1940's, in the first place, as Germans themselves failed to make sucessful automatic rifle until 1943... ehmm... OK, there was FG-42, but it's kinda exotic in that sence.

[SwineNahNah]

Well, if Gemans did any work, it looks more like a diversion than help, after all it took around 12 (over 15, if the original competition is taken in acccount) years to make AK what it was intended to and start production of AKM.

Some Russians are ironic about Kalashnikov being all original in his work, he borrowed heavily, but from his fellow constructor Bulkin not Germans. Also not like it was one man's project, there was large competition and AK was in service along with SKS for a while.

[pangolin9]

Watched a documentry saying that the trigger unit for the AK-47 was based on the M1Garands. Do you think its valid?--------Taaa

[DinoPal]

@cocojumb0 Germany and America could have had those guns - no they not. G11 is not capable to do what An-94 does, and inferior to even AR-15 ( do reserch) My point was that Russia's haters allways looking the ways to diminish inventions by saying they copy that and this while the Germans themself copy a lot from Russia. Can i say that STG-44 was influence by SVT-40? (gas system for example) Or CZ-858 to SKS? I know US copy AWACS from Russia.

[cocojumb0]

@DinoPal the point was not which got adopted and which not, the point was its a 21century gun. Germany and America could have had those guns but then the soviet union collapsed and the military and politicians didnt see a point in still adapting them.

besides that, who cares about a "21 century gun"? apparently its not effective and cheap enought to replace a 60yo weapon system.

[DinoPal]

@cocojumb0 G11 was never adopted - FAIL. An-94 is battle proof with spetsnaz.

[PanterausfG]

@nzww2buff Can you please say how heavy the STG is (without the ammo ofc) by putting it on a weight measuring instrument, because on every web page they say different, sometimes its 5.4 kilograms with ammo, sometimes without.